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Joeblack Posted: 24-Nov-05 16:44
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I have been reading many posts over the past few days and it is clear to me that some education is required to those who think they are experts (or not) in the game of roulette.

I have no objection to those who play with computers or use visual ballistics, they are not for me but I am sure they work at times as do many other methods.

But I am fed up with the "know it all" brigade who say it is impossible to win when playing roulette with any other methods, like snowman, forester, johno, nigel, etc, etc, etc......

I have been using various methods over the past 5 or 6 years and have consistently made money playing roulette. I DON'T win every time I visit a casino, but before I enter a casino on any given night I know exactly what I will lose or win before I enter.

I am not going to explain how I play or which systems have been successful for me because this post would be like a book, but many of you "clever dicks" would do well to listen (for a change) to words of wisdom from others on this forum.

I will give you an example of what I mean:-

About 3 years ago I purchased (for about 10 dollars - big deal) Serena's book - after receiving and reading I thought that it could not possibly work - well - GUESS WHAT - it does actually work - but not all the time. If you follow the qualification process in the book to the letter - and are happy with 20% profit of your bank it does produce a profit - I don't know why it works - but it does.

A lot has been written here about Jack Kennedy's system of play, many people have been abusive to a man who not only gave his system away for free but probably has forgotten more about roulette than most of you cretins will ever know. Anyway his system is based on playing 4 numbers of the same colour - the problem being how do you pick the 4 numbers ? I have used various methods to pick the numbers like counting distances, areas that have not shown or trending areas - some of these have been very profitable. Carsch started a post with other methods of picking these 4 numbers which proved to be very useful to me (thanks carsch)!!

Also I use a system called the Roulette Breaker which although you need loads of patience wins for me about 70 - 80% of the time. This system is based on dealers signature.

When I walk into a casino I look at the various marquees and can always spot a table that has potential for one of the many systems I am able to play.

Believe me - I win - but it does not mean it comes easy - could you walk into a casino with a large bankroll and not place a bet for 4 hours - sometimes you have to have this sort of discipline.

Anyway, forget what anyone else says - you can win by adapting systems to your style of play and watching and waiting for trends and opportunities.


Yours in Sport


JoeBlack
 
Moscow Mail Posted: 24-Nov-05 17:16
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JoeBlack,

Very good post with sound advice.

However, I do not think you will receive many responses because you are making too much sense!

MM


 
Nigel Posted: 24-Nov-05 22:05
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Joeblack, I'm not of the "know it all brigade" We are entitled to our opinion surely? Gambling is gambling and most know where gambling gets you in the end. As I have said previously there are those who are lucky. Maybe you are lucky but put it down to being a good gambler. In my opinion (although you don't wish to hear it again) you won't win long term playing roulette. If you are so successful then why not start up a gambling school for roulette? You could then share you knowledge and make a few bucks at the same time.

P.S.
I'm sure Serena will be pleased to hear that you are having success with her system.
 
Turbo_Genius Posted: 24-Nov-05 22:13
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It (the post) will catch on fire from moving so fast from here to the testimonail page, lol.
 
snowman Posted: 25-Nov-05 00:11
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JoeBlack,

If you believe in your system than have fun with it.


I have no idea what it's about or who this Jack Kennedy, or Serena is.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Snow
 
Investor Posted: 25-Nov-05 00:45
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Joeblack,
Fully agree with You. The same situation with me.Except buying systems. I also do 8-12% profit for 1 session and go away.
The fact is that for different persons meaning of "session" is different.My session is 1 game(with porfit 8-12%) per 2-4 weeks.

Nigel,
What does it mean "long terms playing" for gambler ?
If I win within 500 spins, this is short playing . But if I win within 500 spins= abt500% of capital and did it within 10 years = Does it mean that I loose next year ?
Or maybe "long-terms playing" means that my children or grandchild will loose in future ?!
It's highly possible to win 10-15 games per year during 10 years.
Ttl 100-150 games. Ttl abt 1,500% of initial capital. 150% per year. Not bad. Of course, I have probobility to loose 100% of capital. But it's risky venture. And I remeber abt it

 
Nigel Posted: 25-Nov-05 02:12
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Investor. Long term means that if you keep playing you will eventually lose. Gamblers seldom go to a casino play one spin and then walk out if they are in profit. If you play on a regular basis in time or 'long term' you will eventually lose. You win some you lose some but eventually there will be only one winner and that's the casino.


" Of course, I have probobility to loose 100% of capital. But it's risky venture. And I remeber abt it"

Exactly Investor it is a risky venture as you say. Gambling is gambling my friend. There are no certainties in gambling otherwise it would be called investing and there are no certainties in that either at times.




 
markhowy Posted: 25-Nov-05 02:41
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Gamblers

Gamblers only remember theri Wins, never their losses!

For a gambler to be in gain for many years is very unlikely, the probabilitites are great even with the small casino edge against you!

So I doubt yuour claims big time, but if they are gtenuine, it is out of luck, not skill. .

Regards


Mark ..
 
SmallTimeWinner Posted: 25-Nov-05 03:03
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Quote Joe Black: "are happy with 20% profit of your bank"

That is probably the secret (in any system); Small amounts. (Personaly I believe 20% is too high, but that is just me)

FAR TOO MANY PEOPLE gamble with the expectation of doubling/tripling their bankrolls on a couple of spins of the wheel.

They see a TV show, or watch a film, or read about how they can 'earn' $10,000 a week with this great double-up system, and they expect to walk into a casino and break the bank.
 
johno Posted: 25-Nov-05 06:15
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JoeBlack

When have I claimed to have said it's impossible to beat Roulette?

I hardly comment in matters concerning the ball and wheel game, because I don't play it. In regards to systems sellers (scammers) such as Serena and co, their methods will indeed work some of the time, and will fail most probably in the long term, and are probably no better or worst than any free idea posted here and elsewhere.

As for the 20% return, no big deal when you (me) are a grinding vlose to a 100% return ON MY BUY IN ON MOST OCCASIONS. note I said buy in and not bankroll.

Have yourself a marvellous Christmas.

Yours in Significant profit

Johno
 
Moscow Mail Posted: 25-Nov-05 06:15
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Combine JoeBlack's wisdom here and my thread on IRON discipline and you will give yourself an 'edge' that the normal run of the mill casino gambler mug will not learn.

 
johno Posted: 25-Nov-05 06:24
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oops forgot to add:


"Keep the Scammers hungry this Christmas"
 
Bago Posted: 25-Nov-05 09:56
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What JoeBlack says is totally rubbish and non-sense.

Bago
 
roulette coolie Posted: 25-Nov-05 10:09
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Hi Joeblack,

Thank you very much for your business......and thank you for including me in your good comment.....I feel great that you had got your book money back......

At the time that my book was published......while I thought I had given my best to explain to my book buyers how to execute and apply my 14-numbers group at real live roulette gambling........Unfortunately, the instruction inside my book still not sufficient enough for some readers........Therefore, in order to gain the full benefit of winning the roulette....... you will need my  supplement of detail instruction, which is a 4 pages instruction, an addition to my book....of which are free to customers.....
Did you ever received that 4 pages instruction?......

Serena





[Edited by roulette coolie on 25-Nov-05 11:10]
 
Turbo_Genius Posted: 25-Nov-05 10:33
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Can I quote an Amazon review you fail to mention in the testimonials page ?

"...."Roulette Fortune Bookie" has large print, a good binding,
and wonderful, non-acidic paper. It is earnestly written, and
has a pleasant cover, and a nice introduction. It is, however,
like buying a fleet of cars when all you need is one. You can
get the same advice in two, one-page charts, available in
many, many other books."

"Unfortunately, the instruction inside my book still not sufficient enough for some readers" How so ?

From the reviews I've personally read (not from people who give false positive reviews) The same info is covered over and over, filling the 100+ pages when only a few pages would describe the method.
Does adding 4 pages give the "key" ?

lol - A loophole I see, but fair enough.
When it fails you can allways say "Well, you needed those 4 extra pages in order to win, don't you have them ?"

http://www.jetcafe.org/~npc/reviews/gambling/roulette_fortune_bookie.
html

LIAR LIAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How dare this person say such things !

I hope he doesn't get the bonus pages

""In my opinion, Roulette Fortune Bookie is yet another ill-conceived betting scheme for beating the game of roulette that cannot possibly win in the long term. Further, the book is not very thorough in it's coverage, is not rigorous in defining its methods, and is poorly written. I can't come up with a plausible reason why someone should pick up this book. Frankly, by giving this book a long and serious review, I'm giving it much more credit than I think it warrants.""

[Edited by Turbo_Genius on 25-Nov-05 11:35]
 
Joeblack Posted: 25-Nov-05 11:34
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Interesting mix of comments !!!!!

@ Serena
I don't need any more information - can win with your system as it is thanks (with a little change of my own)

@ Snow - thanks and happy thanksgiving to you

Thanks to all the other positive and not so positive comments.

I am not saying any system will win in the long term, there are always periods or groups of numbers that will blow out any system ever written, but there are also periods that will make a system work and these sequences can be found and capitalised on if you look hard enough.

My favourite system is Jack's 4 number system, and you can actually play it in combination with the Roulette Breaker - a few tweaks here and there - it works really well, but it took over three months to finalise the method and it has variations depending upon the previous ten or twelve numbers spun.

You couldn't write it down as a system because part of it is decided at the time of play with various options to choose (roulette breaker patterns)- therefore it cannot be mathematically tested and no one could be sure if it works or not - but I can !!!


Yours in Sport


JoeBlack
 
roulette coolie Posted: 25-Nov-05 15:54
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Hi Joeblack,

Ookey Dookey......

Serena
 
roulette coolie Posted: 25-Nov-05 16:02
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Turbo said: "lol - A loophole I see, but fair enough.
When it fails you can allways say "Well, you needed those 4 extra pag
es in order to win, don't you have them ?"
___________________________________________________________

My reply: These 4 pages instructions can be obtained from me directly
for free....or can be printed out from this GG board's at its Gamblin
g For Sale thread, It was available at the GG board for the public and
anyone to examine for free since March/April of 2004.....

These 4 pages of instructions can also be obtained at the VIP's gambl
ing library for free since early March/April of 2004......Turbo is the
manitor of VIP board.....He must be blind, if he did see it....Or he
is a liar trying to deceive people......

Serena
 
Turbo_Genius Posted: 25-Nov-05 16:09
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If that's the case then I stand corrected.

Can you please answer the ranking of #500,000+ compared to a top#1-10 ?
thanks, just curious.
If you like the term liar then please explain your ranking comment.

 
roulette coolie Posted: 25-Nov-05 16:09
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Turbo said :"""In my opinion, Roulette Fortune Bookie is yet another
ill-conceived betting scheme for beating the game of roulette that can
not possibly win in the long term. Further, the book is not very thoro
ugh in it's coverage, is not rigorous in defining its methods, and is
poorly written. I can't come up with a plausible reason why someone sh
ould pick up this book. Frankly, by giving this book a long and seriou
s review, I'm giving it much more credit than I think it warrants.""
__________________________________________________

My reply: less than 48 hours ago.....Turbo also said on the other thr
ead that he had only nice things to say about both me and my system"..
....a black and white statement.....

Good lord, what's matter with this Turbo guy.....

Many uses my roulette fortune bookie and have lots of good time with
it......Turbo bought my 14 number group, he still have problem with ho
w to execute my 14 number groups correctly....Ladies and gentlemen, m
ay I take this opportunity to introduce the intelligent of Turbo_Geniu
s.....

Serena

 
Turbo_Genius Posted: 25-Nov-05 16:27
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That wasn't my review it was someone else's....
How can you not understand that ? lol nevermind.

OMG you are not 100% there are you ?

anyway, on your advice I checked VIP :

The Systems Library : "The testing of "Serena's Elite Bacc System""
nope, that's not even about roulette.

Moderators Forum "HeHehe.......How to treat a woman.....a must see....."
nope not there, remember that post ? lol

Moderators Forum "My November Black Out Days"
nope

Off-Topic "WimG & Ahcoln & veroxii"
nope

General "My Black Out Days....."
nope

The Systems Library "Serena's 14 number groups"
no secret 4 pages there either...
"For U$500 (a 50% discount of U$1000), come and meet the author of "Roulette Fortune Bookie"

wow, for $1,000.00 US you can some and meet me as well

Can you please point me to those 4 pages that make all the difference that you
said were posted at VIP ?
Thanks and much appreciated. lol



[Edited by Turbo_Genius on 25-Nov-05 17:28]
 
Turbo_Genius Posted: 25-Nov-05 16:51
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Oh I'm sorry, have you left already ?
I hate those convenient black out times as well.

LMAO.
 
Bob Ralph Posted: 25-Nov-05 23:37
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Yeah, great thread this one. Well done Joe. Great advice, hopefully to open the eyes up of the non-believers. So closed minded, that's why they will never profit in the game of roulette, or any other game of chance for that matter...2 cents..
 
roulette coolie Posted: 26-Nov-05 08:56
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Turbo said:Can you please point me to those 4 pages that make all the difference that you said were posted at VIP


My reply: Turbo.....you have written all sorts of rubbish on your postings to deceive people, but you cannot lose me.....Are you saying the methods of my 14-number groups steps-by-steps guide was never existed or once published in the VIP.....? Before I call you a liar/ scammer again......I am here to give a reason of doubt that you did not mean that.....Sir, only a "yes" or "no" direct answer is necessary, see whether you have a slight intelligent to comprehend this one......


Serena

[Edited by roulette coolie on 26-Nov-05 10:00]
 
Turbo_Genius Posted: 26-Nov-05 09:09
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I'm done dealing with you.

Your method is posted in one of the links above.
The additional pages is not (that I could find)
that's why I asked you to point it out to me.
I don't intend to search each of your 166 posts there
one by one to find out.

Prove I am a liar, post one fact that I have ever lied
anywhere here at GG or shut the hell up.

I asked you questions based on facts, you don't answer
and never will.
That's all I need to make my opinion on and it's made.
As I said I'm done dealing with you, nothing but a waste of time.

ps/ I lost any respect for you when you PM'd Veroxxi about a thread
that was deleted at VIP - remember all the "hehehe" and "hahahaha" in that message about your sales ? This is all a joke and you simply enjoy it.

[Edited by Turbo_Genius on 26-Nov-05 10:21]
 
snowman Posted: 26-Nov-05 11:02
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Turbo,

It's obvious you two will not be setting down for a cup of coffee anytime soon! If this conversation were taking place on VIP would you allow it to continue?

-Snow

[Edited by snowman on 26-Nov-05 12:02]
 
Turbo_Genius Posted: 26-Nov-05 11:15
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nope, I wouldn't have made 1/2 the comments I did here either.
Then again I'm not the moderator here
I'd probably ban myself, lol.
Then again the crap would have never taken place at all
because we don't allow these ripoff artists to sell their crap
there.
 
roulette coolie Posted: 26-Nov-05 12:17
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Turbo said: :"I'm done dealing with you"

My reply:....Hahahaha.... Hak, Turbo withdraw from this mess so soon.
..hahahaha.....hehehehe.....What's wrong with this Turbo guy?.....Unfo
rtunately I'm not done with you Turbo.....I had offer to end this mess
on the other thread which you refuse....less than 72 hours, you now c
hange your mind?.....


Turbo, You have all day to sit in front of the computer to do posting
....which I couldn't.....But Since you last refuse, I have devoted to
myself.....I will spend 20 mins to 120 mins in any 72 hours to deal wi
th you....I will address any of your accusation which I thought it mig
ht worth to reply....they will be replied in the order of simple answe
rs or in the fashion of in the order as rec'd.....including the "ranki
ng" issue.....I will get to that when I have the time, or when I feel
like it..... I will not running away from that accusation......and I w
ill not lie and mislead reader on that issue either......HeheHE, just
for the sake of you 4040+ viewer, free advertisement for me thru your
lovely truly believers, if you do have any, hahaha....Ooooh, also I am
doing this for the sake of saving those 4040+ per day viewer from a l
iar like you....Boy, you will be hungry on this coming x'mas!

____________________________________________________________

Turbo said: "Prove I am a liar, post one fact that I have ever lied
anywhere here at GG or shut the hell up."

My reply: Boy, you only need one fact to prove that you are a liar...
..you are way too humble....you are way over-rate on your honesty.....

Let's not put your $300,000+ imangerable real winning of yours on the
online gambling aside to be counted yet.....let's not talking about y
ou did not ask for donation but your believers forced you to accept th
eir thanks for your NO win No lose method aside at this moment to be c
ounted yet.....and I am here to post one fact that you lie....


Turbo said:"ps/ I lost any respect for you when you PM'd Veroxxi abou
t a thread that was deleted at VIP - remember all the "hehehe" and "ha
hahaha" in that message about your sales ?"


My first reply: You "DID NOT" and "HAD NEVER" lost respect for me whe
n I PM veroxii (including you and the other monitor) in VIP on the sa
me day about that deleting thread......Because you still befriend with
me and have nothing bad to say about me since then to now.....You nev
er said call me a scammer nor a system seller until lately.....Am I no
t right about this?...... Tubo, you are a born liar!


My second reply: The posting that was deleted..... was merely a "Blac
k Out day" posting.....it should be identical as this GG board "Black
out days" around the same day.....the content merely posting about the
date that I would be out of town......but was deleted......I couldn't
help writing and addressing to all the monitors at the VIP board, pro
testing and laughing how how silly my simple posting was get deleted.
.....Did I say anything wrong here, Turbo.....remember, you are not th
e only one who rec'd my PM about that issue......Now, let vioxii sees
it for himself, whether he has a honest man/ honest monitor to represe
nt him in the future......Watch out how you lie now, Turbo!


That's all for now folks.....I feel bad that I wrote no gambling tips
here today.....But I feel good that I can do some good and save peopl
e from be scammed by Turbo!


Serena



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snowman Posted: 26-Nov-05 12:17
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Yes true, but you guys make up for it with the banner adds and the spam email.
 
markhowy Posted: 26-Nov-05 12:33
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Roulette Cooolie

You a scammer pure and simple, you sell what you have for profit with false promises and claims to line your own pocket. I don't care how nice you seem to appear, you have one motive at this board, and its not to make friends, so cut the rubbish.

Lets ask you one question, does your system/Method work?

Answer >NO!

So stop plying your cheap shoddy Chinese menu cr*p here, its boring!



LOL

Mark ..
 
Turbo_Genius Posted: 26-Nov-05 13:00
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""Yes true, but you guys make up for it with the banner adds and the spam email""

There is no spam email whatsoever.
The fact that someone used a ficticious email addy that appeared to come from the forum admin was explained, was it not ?
Banner ads are on every site, including this one.
Your points are absurd and I suppose that's the best you have.

and on to serena, why bother but then again why not..

"Let's not put your $300,000+ imangerable ...."

PROVE IT. Show that I didn't win that amount - or any other amount.
Thanks.. no further questions.

"My first reply: You "DID NOT" and "HAD NEVER" lost respect for me....

I had no respect for you from day one. Sorry if you felt I did.
I saw you for what you were from the beginning. A simple scammer.
I think it's amusing how people won't say anything about you because you're female and have poor english. Amazing twist isn't it ?
People feel sorry for you so they don't speak out. Too bad I don't feel the same way.

"My second reply: The posting that was deleted..... was merely a "Black Out day" posting..."
WRONG !

Your started topics :

The Systems Library The testing of "Serena's Elite Bacc System"
Yes, long after sales you are asking for help to test.
Amazing - wouldn't it make sense to have the testing done before you make your claims and show off the testiminials ?

Moderators Forum HeHehe.......How to treat a woman.....a must see.....
removed !

Moderators Forum FREE Serena's Elite Bacc System
removed !

Moderators Forum My November Black Out Days
removed !

Off-Topic WimG & Ahcoln & veroxii
off topic, I wonder why.

General My Black Out Days.....
should have been moved

The Systems Library Serena's 14 number groups

General What is the legal age for gambling in your country?
Important to know what customers to go after isn't it ?
ps/ love this quote :

"Thank you very much for your feed back......I am so glad that you can make some money with my 14-numbers......now I am "$$$" that much richer.......as your money is my money!"

No shit.

and two constructive topics on good vs bad online roulette sites.

shall we ?
3 topics had to be removed
1 was moved to off topic

Again faced with the facts what do you have to say ?
Continue to lie and then turn it around to avoid the answers.
carry on - I'm once again backing up what I say with proof.
You sure can't but keep trying.
Cheers.



[Edited by Turbo_Genius on 26-Nov-05 14:01]
 
roulette coolie Posted: 28-Nov-05 18:45
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Turbo said:"Let's not put your $300,000+ imangerable ...."
PROVE IT. Show that I didn't win that amount - or any other amount.
Thanks.. no further questions

My reply:....Oooh, Turbo, hahaha....you are the biggest loser in this GG board......Sir, when I said "loser".....I meant you really think you could lose people, that kinda of "loser".......Hehehe......But, if you like to interpret loser in another fashion or meaning ...it is all up to you....


Hahaha...... yes, If Turbo indeed has a holy grail and won those $300,000+? .....Why would you stop using it to win now?....Hahaha.....Money meant nothing to you, you might say.....Mmmmmm, wait a minute......OK, let's try again,..... .Let's see, all your followers and you both are using the same winning system.....your bankroll was increasing by hours.......while no one else could achieve what you could achieve......Are you telling me all others on this board or at the VIP Lounge are that unteachable and that dumb?

Turbo, the biggest loser in GG board!....Holy Molly.....ROFL!.....

Serena

[Edited by roulette coolie on 28-Nov-05 19:47]
 
Turbo_Genius Posted: 28-Nov-05 19:51
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A) thanks for the 2 day break.
B) I honestly didn't read your post but scrolled down and typed this.

The other psychiatrists here gave me some pointers so I'm using them
Have a nice day
 

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