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jojo Posted: 10-Jan-06 05:12
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Hey

can someone tall me anything about Stefano Hourmouzis,Roulette Computers. are he for real. are there anyone who has buyad the Roulette Computers/or system..? dons it work..? i have read all about him in the www.genuinewinner.com, he sound to be honest about his work. he are willing to demonstrat in-person that his system work´s and he guaran'tee that his system work or money back guaran'tee.

Anyone please...?
 
markhowy Posted: 10-Jan-06 10:40
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JOJO

Lucky you found this site, or is it, time will tell!

Firstly, his real name is Steven Hourmouzis, not Stefano, this is a cover so you cannot do a search on him on the internet.

Type in 'Steven Hourmouzis' in google and you will find he has been done for fraud only 5 years ago and was sent to prison for it.

Now he only made $7000 Australian dollars from his acts and broke the law in three places, yet on his site he use to claim he has been developing Roulette computers for over a decade??

Why would a man need to commit fraudulent acts and risk going to prison if he can make this in the casinos in one night.

In fact he claims he has a million pound system that can make a million in one night LOL Check his site out!

The funny thing is that he wanted me to supply him roulette computers sometime ago, I declined after finding out that he was a criminal.

Since then, his site Roulettesystemreviews went from praising my computer to slandering it!

The guys device only works on his own roulette wheels, not the ones in the casino! I have two complaints from two of his users already!

Hes not a competitor, hes a thief that steals other peoples ideas and claims he has done it himself. Even his software was copied from the Newton Computer that was on sale some years ago in London, which I have.

I have a transscript of his court case if you wish to have it, sned me an email privately.

Regards

Mark ..

 
fadil Posted: 10-Jan-06 17:09
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Mr Howe, at post Laurance Scott - scammer or real advangage player?
I asked you to check your calculation. Your calculation saying that rotor is faster on the end then it was on the start. Maybe Stefano only fixed the way that you calculate and of course that his computer would be better.
Would you be kind enough and explain how did you come to this figures.

8.96187 remaining time and rotor make 4.7360
Average 1.892 per second (for 3 spins 1.68553) Difference 0.2 (Average speed of rotor cannot change by so much in only 0.5 sec.)

8.2607 remaining time and rotor makes 4.6971
Average 1.758 per second (THIS SUCKS HOW CAN ROTOR BE FASTER when we observe it was 1.84471)

7.53024 remaining time and rotor makes 3.647
Average 2.064 per second (for 3 spins 2.03) Difference =0.03 (only this calculation might be ok)
 
markhowy Posted: 10-Jan-06 18:59
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Fadil

Do not concentrate on the finger, otherwise you will miss all the heavenly glory <Bruce Lee>

Fadil, the point is not the exactness of something, but the overall conclusion and that mathematically Scotts method does indeed have merit.

Now, if you wish to show everyone on here youre mathematical understanding of Scotts method, then be my guess. If something is not clear what I have done, then study Scotts method and make your own assumptions and calculations.

I am not going to do it for you, already done that!

The calcs you talk about is showing that if the rotor timings and ball timings were diffrent, then Scotts mathematics still shows that his method holds. I think you are misunderstanding the post.

Mark ..

[Edited by markhowy on 10-Jan-06 20:01]
 
fadil Posted: 10-Jan-06 20:43
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I did not say that works or not because i do not know, i said that you made at least 2 significant mistakes. And I am asking you what point of proving something with wrong calculation is. You are showing figures by 5 decimal points and you miss calculation on first decimal point.
What did you prove? Nothing!!! So why did you writhe it?

Based on data that you provided if you calculate properly system will not work.
For that, 3 examples if wheel is slower by 0.38sec. prediction would shift by 14 numbers. Even that mistake of 14 numbers is coincidence because if used another ball pattern it is worst.
Back to school
 
fadil Posted: 10-Jan-06 21:44
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Mr. Howe then you continue with another 2 examples....

So now, applying Laurances crossover patterns, Lets take the 1.69334 and calculate the distance the Rotor will travel in the total time it takes for the ball to drop, which is 8.41012 seconds

THe rotor decelerates at the same rate as before>
We have a distance of the Rotor of>

5.0333(Rotor distance)+0.7(ball fraction)=5.7333

How rotor distance can be 5.033 in 8.41 sec?
By my knowlagdje rotor slows down not accelerates.

Then another one ........
So now, applying Laurances crossover patterns, Lets take the 1.7910 and calculate the distance the Rotor will travel in the total time it takes for the ball to drop, which is 7.67966seconds

THe rotor decelerates at the same rate as before>
We have a distance of the Rotor of>

4.060(Rotor distance)+0.7(ball fraction)=5.760

If you really calculate this 2 examples you will find out that rottor is only by 0.097 sec slower and it makes difference by 24 numbers.
Well you can say that you missed by 13 numbers if looked from other side.
Think logically, first example rotor is at one speed.
Next example rotor is slower and on top of that has less time.So it is reverse. Occasionally it can happened that in some situations rotor makes 4.8 next time 3.7 full rotation can be ignored then the difference is only 0.1. Most of the time it would be something as 4.9….4,3….3,5 and so on. If rotor is slower it might have better results, but then you are to late with bets and on top of that you will wait who knows how long to have perfect match


THE SYSTEM DOES NOT WORK OR THE DATA THAT YOU PROVIDED IS INCORECT.







[Edited by fadil on 10-Jan-06 22:59]
 
markhowy Posted: 11-Jan-06 00:51
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Fadil

you are correct, there is errors in it, give me a few minute to amend the document!


I have posted the correct amendec doc in the main roulette section!

It appears that VB does not work after all.

Regards

Mark ..

[Edited by markhowy on 11-Jan-06 02:55]
 
fadil Posted: 11-Jan-06 02:42
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Lol, Mark someone will kill you.
It does not work because remaining time and ball speed are proportional. Slower wheel will match when remaining time is smaller. Therefore, it is disaster. Hey….. but it keeps them busy. Do not tell me that one painter notice something that nobody did for years.
 
markhowy Posted: 11-Jan-06 16:12
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Fadil

If you really are a Painter, I will not patronize you, you show a good analystical mind, no matter what you do for a living!

Some of the people using my device and making the most money are normal people that have Enthusiasm, ambition and drive and good analystical minds on their shoulders. They are determined and methodical in executing the hardware and software.

Einstein was extremely poor when he died, money mean't little to him, even though he was offered the presidency of a Country, he turned it down. His interest and passion in his mind was his wealth.

Regards

Mark .
 
DoubleZero Posted: 11-Jan-06 23:27
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Jojo, I have stefanos computer and it works as he claims. I suggest not paying attention to mark's comments. Mark is stefanos competitor. See roulettesystemreviews.com for details about mark. I visited stefano personally which I recommend doing because stefano will tell you a lot more in person that he does just via email. I also have mark's computer and it fails on level wheels. Stefanos computer is ten times more sophisticated than marks computer. Mark claims he has stefanos computer but he cant tell you the simplest thing about it, like what the first thing you see when you switch stefanos computer on. Thats mark and what he does to boost his sales and discredit his competitors. Do your own research and you'll find out whats true and whats not.
 
fadil Posted: 12-Jan-06 01:13
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I work as painter because i cannot get license here, to work as electrician. Need to work as slave for someone 4 years to get it.
Nothing wrong with painting it is even better money if contracting job.
 
DoubleZero Posted: 12-Jan-06 03:37
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Also mark what have you got against stefano? You spend so much time and effort trying to discredit him when you clearly dont even have his computer. He is not the only one who found your computer fails on level wheels and said so. Is it just that he's your only real competition? Why dont you take up his $1m challenge and prove to everyone how great yuor computer is, and how crap stefanos is while scoring $1m cash? Woudlnt that be the best way of wiping out your competition, or is it that it would wipe out you and kill your business? Gotta wonder..
 
markhowy Posted: 12-Jan-06 07:30
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DZ

I simply do not like liars, stefano falls under this catogory.

You say I spend so much time to discredit him, not really, I am not the one that has spent days setting up a spoof site to discredit somebody, how sad! Also, it seems that you seem to spend a lot of time speaking on his behalf and trying to incite some sort of petty hatred and attack on me with your inaccuracies of Stefano and his computers, in fact its like you are actually him

I am merely defending myself against your petty and rather time consuming attacks. Still not used his wonderful device yet, what are you waiting for, an eclipse of the Sun, so the hearing aid cannot be spotted!

If thats not the case, you are surely one sad fellow, get a life DZ!

Oh and DZ, Stefano has not got $1 million, although this is not that much nowdays, especially Australian Dollars, the guy only started making a living a couple of years ago, before that he lived at home, do your homework!

If you think hes competition, you think it, I find that amusing!

Wheres the proof you went to see him DZ, still waiting, you are a terrible liar:-)

LOL

Mark ..

[Edited by fishman on 12-Jan-06 10:26]
 
Bago Posted: 12-Jan-06 13:56
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You had no problems to show us your pink puretone earpiece painted in black and cut in 2 via a footage. So what is the problem for you to show us a footage of your computer being applied on a MODERN and LEVEL Wheel? With the number predicted on the Screen and not voiceover since you add them after the recording.

Bago

[Edited by fishman on 12-Jan-06 15:02]
 
DoubleZero Posted: 12-Jan-06 14:52
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After I purchased stefanos computer instead of yours (because you couldnt answer simple questions), I had no intention of posting here again. I only started posting again when you posted blatant lies about stefanos computer that are obvious to anyone that has stefanos computer. Stefano has been good to me and I will defend him against a lying competitor.

Stefano doesnt have $1m? I beg to differ! You have absolutely no idea about stefano. No idea at all. He is extremely wealthy.

It is you who is not competition with that old psion crap. You have to lie about stefanos computer and your computer to try and compete. Stefanos computer is far more sophisticated than your simplistic junk. Your computer doesnt have even a third of the features, plus lets not forget it is ineffective on level wheels as many people have found. Not just a few, every person that I know has your computer says the same thing. Wonder why..

You need to grow up. I have no intention of going in circles with you, but AGAIN correctly answer my question about what the first thing you see on stefanos computer when its opened, and I'll provide all proof you want. You claim to have stefanos computer but cant answer this simple question. Not rocket science. You have to make false claims about competition to try compete. Very pathetic. Again you cant expect me to answer any of your questions if you cant answer this question I've asked you many times and asked you well before you asked your questions. It should be simple for you if you are telling the truth. Not rocket science is it?

Anyone wanted to learn about howe see http://www.roulettesystemreviews.com/r-markhoweroulettecomputer.htm

[Edited by fishman on 12-Jan-06 23:16]
 
Bago Posted: 12-Jan-06 15:00
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DoubleZero,

Will you show me the proof if i answer correctly to your question?



Bago.
 
markhowy Posted: 13-Jan-06 00:41
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DZ

You now know most of my customers and they tell you that my computer does not work on level wheels, really, name all the customers you know then, you have nothing to lose! Why would my customers be talking to you, why would they say it does not work on level wheels when the majority have visited me and seen it for themselves working on level wheels.

On top of this, show use the evidence you went to see Stefano, that you have his computer and that you hired a wheel out from a roulette company hiring place like you stated. There is not that many in Australia that hire out, but a receipt would provide us with the evidence.

Why are you here on some message board, in the gambling tools section, when you claim you have stefanos computer and it is wonderful, surely if it was that good you would be in the casinos using it.

Also you claim that Stefano is well off, funny but his company accounts do not say so and are publically accessible for other companies to delve into. In fact he owns very little and has little equity within his businesses.

It seems you are digging yourself deeper and deeper into something you cannot climb out off DZ, its funny watching you squirm.

Also DZ, explain Stefanos paper system that he sells for $2000, I suppose that works fantastically as does his computers, this was shared amongst everyone at this site and scoffed at, its a load of rubbish after the purchaser tried to get his money back form Stefano.

LOL

Mark ..

[Edited by markhowy on 13-Jan-06 02:40]
 
DoubleZero Posted: 16-Jan-06 00:30
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Mark I have contacted various people that have your worthless computer. People that have both originals from you and copies from gamblers glen. I received your software free anyway and bollocks you have copy protection that makes copied software ineffective. Thats just an excuse. It is a very basic program for an ancient psion pda that does not do the job properly. But you can easily test it thoroughly to see the computer has no protection at all like you claim to cover your butt and stay in business. ie testing it on the same spins gives the same predictions to see the result, among other things, and it just fails on level wheels. But besides I've been in contact with enough original purchasers who all say much the same thing. Not one person I've contacted has anything nice to say about you.

Bago yes I'll show you the proof if you answer correctly.

Mark I already did my research on stefano before visiting and read everything that you wrote. I did do a search on his company. I even called the Australian authorities to get as much information, including his financials, and the answer was only the aus tax office has that information because his company is not publicly listed. There are some details like an address, date of registration etc, but no financials. So again you are proven full of shit. Just trying to discredit him again. Please get a real job mark.
 
markhowy Posted: 16-Jan-06 02:17
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Doublezero

Show me the evidence that you know some of my users, if you cannot you are al iiar, surely if what they tell you is true, they have nothing to lose by you revealing who they are, we only need surnames here, not addresses. The reason I ask is most who use the computer are successful with it and play level wheels! I could publically show the level wheel footage, but having people come to my home to view themselves carries so much more weight!

You obviously know nothing about limited companies either, the records are acessible, and if Stefano was wealthy like you claim, he would automatically have to become a VAT registered company and therefore limited is the only correct option for such a company.

I have his Tax records for the last ten years after some digging and they are from a reputable source on the net, if they are rubbish, ask Stefano if I can publically display them here with the link to a body that allows anyone to look at his records if they pay a fee of $150.

I can provide the evidence and it will be posted all over the net if you get Stefano to agree, or should I say Steven George Hourmouzis ,his real name!

I am not really interested in carrying on this silly chit chat with you either, you have provided no evidence that you ever went to see him, or hired a wheel, in fact everything you say has no substance to it, you seem to constantly lie your backside off. You would be eaten for breakfast in a court of LAW.

LOL

Mark ..



[Edited by markhowy on 16-Jan-06 03:19]
 
Bago Posted: 16-Jan-06 10:05
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DoubleZero,

I answered your question in your yahoo email. I am waiting for your scanned papers.
Thank you.

 
DoubleZero Posted: 19-Jan-06 11:42
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Mark there you go again ignoring the question I asked you first and asking me other questions to divert attention. We've gone in circles enough. Its clear you dont have stefanos computer but claimed so because you want to harm the competition. Pathetic, but thats you.
There have been numerous purchasers of yours on gamblers glen alone and it is well established your computer fails on level wheels.

Firstly your company "mark howe technologies" simply doesnt exist. It is not registered anywhere. As for stefanos tax records I have done all the research before I visited him and it is clear the only records available are with asic.gov.au, and they do not include income because income is only done with the aus tax office. No-one you pay can get further information because it is a private australian company. I dont know why you put so much effort into trying to harm stefano, even if you have to lie.



[Edited by fishman on 19-Jan-06 12:48]
 
Bago Posted: 19-Jan-06 11:46
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DZ

You are ignoring the fact i answered correctly to your question, consequently you had to show me your scanned papers which i am still waiting for. Please prove me your are genuine.

Bago
 
DoubleZero Posted: 19-Jan-06 11:50
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Bago I was in the process of typing a message to you, I am not ignoring you. Look at the time of my last post.

You listed some of the menu, not what you see at the start but thats good enough. I'll get some paperwork together for you.
 
Bago Posted: 19-Jan-06 12:24
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We should keep this topic private, i don't know why you prefer answering me on GamblersGlen rather than by email.

Hope having news from you.

Regards.
 
DoubleZero Posted: 19-Jan-06 14:11
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I found the ticket from qantas airways. I'll send a scan of that by tomorrow. I think the wheel hire place was planet entertainment but as yet I cant find the receipt for that. But you can ask stefano to confirm my visit too. Dont forward anything I send you to anyone, especially mark. He cant answer the simple question.

Speaking of mark, he sent me an email under the name of Alison Gianquitto (biomorphic@hotmail.co.uk). Thats the same name in the word document explaining how to use his computer. He used the same name to lie about forester on the RSR forum. In the email he said:

"Hello Double Zero If this is your correct email address let me know it's you, howy posted it on GG. I have his real software, just cracked it, the one going around is flawed. I don't want to get into a battle with howy, but I can't stand the arrogant fuck. if you want it and you are Doublezero, email me back and I will send it to you.
to prove who you are tell me what GG stands for. John"

What a twisted guy mark howe is. Not exactly a reputable businessman. I guess he's trying to get a fake version in circulation because he knows the copy in circulation has no copy protection or required codes whatsoever. I suppose that wasnt you was it mark? Boy you need help.
 
Bago Posted: 19-Jan-06 14:36
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Hello DZ

Stefano told me you visited him and purchased after the personal demo. I am a trusting person and of course i will keep it to myself, i always stick to my words.
I know what you are talking about since Mark lied about myself, and of course i know this is not the truth, so i've realized like you that he is a pathologic compulsive mythoman. Unfortunately, we can't stop that. The good point is it is sometimes fun to read a fool who doesn't realize he is a big one.
Mark claims his computer sells by words of mouth, but the guy sells his rubbish computer on Ebay at 1000$, under a different name/or foreign scam associate. This Alison Gianquitto is asking questions to this seller, this is quite fun.

Regards.
 
Bago Posted: 19-Jan-06 14:42
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Predict-Roulette-Computer-VALUE-2000-NO-RESERVE
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His computer is at 10,90$ at this moment. 4 Hours remaining! This is too expensive, i got it for free...LOL

Bago
 
Bago Posted: 20-Jan-06 08:49
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Hi guys,

Mark's computer has been sold 15,50$ at Ebay. It is very legitimate a millionnaire like Mark need to sell his computer which can earn millions for 15,50$.

LOL

Bago
 
markhowy Posted: 20-Jan-06 11:12
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Doublezero

Show me the evidence that you know some of my users, if you cannot you are al iiar, surely if what they tell you is true, they have nothing to lose by you revealing who they are, we only need surnames here, not addresses. The reason I ask is most who use the computer are successful with it and play level wheels! I could publically show the level wheel footage, but having people come to my home to view themselves carries so much more weight!

You obviously know nothing about limited companies either, the records are acessible, and if Stefano was wealthy like you claim, he would automatically have to become a VAT registered company and therefore limited is the only correct option for such a company.

I have his Tax records for the last ten years after some digging and they are from a reputable source on the net, if they are rubbish, ask Stefano if I can publically display them here with the link to a body that allows anyone to look at his records if they pay a fee of $150.

I can provide the evidence and it will be posted all over the net if you get Stefano to agree, or should I say Steven George Hourmouzis ,his real name!

I am not really interested in carrying on this silly chit chat with you either, you have provided no evidence that you ever went to see him, or hired a wheel, in fact everything you say has no substance to it, you seem to constantly lie your backside off. You would be eaten for breakfast in a court of LAW.

LOL

Mark ..


PS thanks for confirming you are Matt deluca LOL

You are so easy to play with DZ. ..
 
Bago Posted: 20-Jan-06 11:19
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MARK

YOUR COMPUTER HAS BEEN SOLD FOR 15$ ON EBAY! YOU ARE A SCAMMER WHAT EXCUSE WILL YOU FIND YOU ARE SPOT ON!

LOL

Bago


 
Bago Posted: 20-Jan-06 11:20
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WHY SOMEONE WOULD SELL YOUR COMPUTER FOR 15$ IF IT COULD EARN HIM MILLIONS LIKE YOU CLAIM IN YOUR WEBSITE!!!

LOL

Bago
 
DoubleZero Posted: 20-Jan-06 14:51
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Mark, you already posted that message, and I already responded. You love circles. I know you cant think of anything new though.

Mark I have your computer. Bago has it. Stefano has it and he showed me exactly why it fails. I know many that got it for free, and many poor souls that paid for it right on GG. Dont tell me the people got it for free received something that wont function correctly because they dont have some special code. This is a pathetic attempt to cover your butt. Even the manner in which you say you should enter the code alone proves the code is fake. Anyone that knows about psions would tell you. You say go to data, type in the code then exit without saving lol Mark, that is like pressing keys on your computer with it turned off. You know very well there is absolutely no copy protection or special code. Anyone can run simple tests on the software to confirm the software is fully functional. ie testing the computer on a single slow and simple spin, rewinding wheel footage and playing again, you get much the same prediction. Point is all who got it for free have exactly what people that paid have. We all know that on a level wheel, your computer plain fails because it is like a simplistic glorified stopwatch. I have been in contact with original purchasers and they all say much the same thing, which is your computer fails on level wheels. Yet you claim it works like magic. You are selling ineffective junk. Hows about those 3 people that visited you and said you failed to provide convincing proof after a whole day of demonstrating even on a 50 year old wheel? Look at your list of lies at roulettesystemreviews.com and its rather clear what a lying fraud you are. For anyone wanting to do their research, they can confirm undoubtedly you are a liar and fraud.

I know nothing about limited companies, you say? Ok firstly stefanos company is incorporated. Thats what the little PTY LTD on the end means. As for your so-called company "mark howe technologies", not only is it not incorporated, it plain doesnt exist at all, does it? I researched both you and stefano thoroughly and while neither of you came out gleaming, you were completely rotten and stefano was honest. I have already tried and hit a brick wall everywhere with regards to stefanos income records and no company has access simply because stefanos company is a private company, not public. Only the aus tax office has these records and they are simply not released to anyone. This includes an information broker. Information brokers get their information from asic.gov.au which handles all company information, and not even they have stefanos tax records. Only the aus tax office does and they do not release this information to anyone. I bet you know this but just love lying to try and harm competitors because thats what you need to do to survive with an inferior product. I have asked stefano to respond to your posts but he refuses saying you're a waste of time. He's correct. You are a complete waste of time.

I visited stefano. Have you? Nope. I've seen his rover and various technology he's had a hand in. I know without a doubt he is extremely wealthy. You just make any claim you can to discredit competitors.

Lastly, I am providing proof of my visit to bago because he answered my question. Certainly not to you because you still havent answered the very simple question. You cant answer it because you dont have stefanos computer, but you claim you do and that it fails. Not rocket science is it? You are a sad case mark. You need real help. You deceive people to make a living because you are too incompetent to make an honest living.

[Edited by DoubleZero on 20-Jan-06 16:02]
 
DoubleZero Posted: 20-Jan-06 18:24
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Bago check your email. Let me know you received it.
 
Bago Posted: 21-Jan-06 02:28
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Hi DZ

I didn't receive your mail on my AOL box. Kelly had problems to reply too.
Can you try on this one: suninyoureye@hotmail.com


PS: Mark is quiet since i've found he was so desperate he had to sell his computer on Ebay for only 15$.

It can be verify there:

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Best Regards.
 
markhowy Posted: 21-Jan-06 05:20
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DZ

You are rather amusing, I can assure you that Stefanos copy of the pr
ogram, and the bootleg version going round the net is not the real pro
gram.

The bootleg copy came from a guy called Zapata, he never had the real
program to start with!

If you had the real program, it works fine on Tilted and level wheels
, I demonstrate this to the endless number of people that come to my d
oor and spend a full day with me.

Still here, how come you (Matt Deluca), you are not hitting the casin
os yet with your fantastically claimed workable device, why are you on
this message board.

You can never prove you went to see stefano or hired a roulette wheel
because you are a liar!

Oh and you certainly know nothing about companies and businesses DZ,
stefanos records can be obtained by money lenders to prove his company
rating, all companies have a company rating, this also displays turno
ver and profit.This is all over the world and is pretty common knowled
ge. RECORDS would exist, if he was a millionaire like you have claimed
. First of all as a sole operator, or with employees, his turnover wou
ld make it compulsary for him to become a ?LTD company by default, bec
ome LTD and his records are public, I can point you in the right direc
tion if you are having trouble looking for Stefanos records and how to
get them, just ask in a polite manner and say please.


Oh and people do not have to listen to your dribble on the topic of m
y computer, they can come and try it for free on many modern wheels, h
ow many has Stefano got, just the one gaffed wheel LOL

I have shown pics of my wheels on this site, the same wheels that my
customers see when they come to visit me, all set level and the comput
er works fine.

LOL



GRIN

Mark..



[Edited by markhowy on 21-Jan-06 06:23]
 
markhowy Posted: 21-Jan-06 06:12
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Oh and DZ

If Stefano is not a scammer, then what happened to his paper system he sells for $2000, no one has made a bean with it!

http://gambling.projectsydney.com/viewtopic.php?t=1552&highlight=


LOL


The word 'Sucker ' springs to mind when I think of Stefano!

GRIN

Mark ..
 
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LOL

Or this thread>

http://www.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&act
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on=opentopic&topic=4468&forum=Roulette_Message_Board

Oh well, back to the drawing board for stefano!

LOL

Mark ..
 
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People are finding out slowly about Stefano>

http://www.advantageplayer.com/roulette/index.html?content=/roulette/
frame_home.html


LOL

Mark ..
 
markhowy Posted: 21-Jan-06 07:30
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oh and this>

http://www.advantageplayer.com/roulette/index.html?content=/roulette/
frame_home.html


LOL

Which bit did you get suckered by DZ?



Mark ..
 
DoubleZero Posted: 21-Jan-06 09:19
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Mark, you are such a dopey wonder! Claiming the free copy we all have is not the real version is your attempt to protect your business. But lets not forget your original purchasers say the same thing as people that got it for free. But if its what you claim, then you wont mind if I send it to anyone that asks, right?

Who says I havent now actually applied stefanos computer for a profit? And why arent YOU actually applying your computer instead of desperately trying to promote your pathetic computer on forums and lying about competitors? I noticed on the other forum you revived an old thread about stefano, and you say you dont go out of your way to harm competitors? Mark, only you would be so pathetic.

Bago, check your email again. I sent a scan of my plane ticket. I will let you know if I find the wheel hire receipt but again it was from planet entertainment in Sydney. Mark, answer the simple question and I'll send you this too. Still cant? Not rocket science is it? You lie about lawrence, forester, stefano, you name it. You are pathetic and you do this to make a living? Arent you ashamed?

Again, for the slow one, stefanos company is PTY LTD you dope. But your company "mark howe technologies" is not only not LTD, it doesnt even exist! Care to explain? Of course not, you dont have the balls to address that issue or many others for that matter. Australian company income records are unobtainable unless it is a public company, period. Ask asic.gov.au themselves if they have any income information about stefanos company. Credit reports do not detail income even if stefano has ever applied for credit (doubtful) but go ahead and PLEASE dazzle me with the company that has the information that is not public.

Who said anything about stefanos paper system? Just trying to harm competition again? We're talking about his computer here. Stefanos paper system (the primordial variants) are dealer signature and they work, but not in all circumstances. His custom variants are like a mix of everything from Steve Forte's information and something to do with repeating patterns or fractals and 9 patterns but I wasnt really interested in anything but his computer. While I'm not a worthy testimonial of his systems because I havent bothered with them much, I know for a fact his computer works and he is not a fraud. Even if yours worked on level wheels, it doesnt have a third of the features stefanos has.

I visited stefano and sent proof to bago. I will provide proof to you too if you answer the simple question, but you cant can you? Bago please tell this fool I've sent you proof.

You really are a waste of time mark. You REALLY need to grow up. Most of the people here I'm sure view you as an immature fool and just a persistent scammer trying so hard to promote his junk because it doesnt work. You just dont see how you make yourself look, do you? Successful people dont spend all their time lying about competitors and promoting ancient psions to unsuspecting people. You'll do and say anything to make a buck. Everything from lying about your product and competitors, and even recently I see you posted saying computers are still legal in the UK. BOLLOCKS. The UK is strictly against it and you know it, but you dont care as long as you make the sale. Just one of the many points that expose you as the most pathetic fraud on GG.
 
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DZ

You provide no evidence of your visit to people at this site, you provide no evidence of Stefanos claims or that you visited him, you provide very little about stefano that gives him any credit whatsoever.

Thats means simply that Stefano has no credibility!

I am only pointing out what others have found after SEEING stefanos claims that he has a workable system, its free and travelling all over the net and been laughed at. I have provided the links where it is not me that is talking, but people that have genuinely seen his $2000 worthless system that does not work. That means he is a conman, but I already knew that. I just typed in 'Steven Hourmouzis'in google and its all there! How come Stefano needs to spam people with fraudulent activity if he really has a workable computer that beats roulette, Beats me?
He banged up in prison for this only five years ago, no mistakes, he blantantly conned people and was jailed quite rightly so!

No defamation here DZ, just facts.

Now you seem bent on slandering me here DZ, without any evidence whatsoever, I have never sold you one of my computers, neither have you been for a demo, neither have you got a genuine copy of my computer. Stefano bought a second computer from me, again, a dud, the guys a real sucker and not that bright.

I do not need to harm the cometition, he does that on his own, and hes the reason behind RSR, it was on his server when I checked, but you reap what you sow, it is most definately Stefano trying to ruin my reputation. My business is fine.

If Stefano can come to GG and agree with Fishman that I can publically display everything I know about him, his home, his busness affairs, I will show you what I know, and its not what you are dressing him up to be.



LOL

Mark ..

[Edited by markhowy on 21-Jan-06 10:39]
 
Bago Posted: 21-Jan-06 09:44
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@DZ

I have not received your scanned copy of your airplane ticket. Try my other email: suninyoureye@hotmail.com
I am on MSN Messenger, add me and send it directly via the chat window.

Regards.
 
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Bago

You also need the proof of hiring a wheel in melbourne!

LOL

As thick as thieves, I suppose this is where Bago says he has seen the proof and its genuine, but no one else is going to see it!



Mark ..
 
Bago Posted: 21-Jan-06 09:58
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I am in no way linked to DoubleZero. I knew the answer of his question so i wanted to verify if he was genuine or not. He claims having sent the document but i have not received it yet.

Mark, there is no doubt you are a lying hiding fraud. Your computer has been sold for 15$ on Ebay.
You want the proof? Here it is:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Predict-Roulette-Computer-VALUE-2000-NO-RESERVE
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0-99_W0QQitemZ6244673666QQcategoryZ73488QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ
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Regards.
 
DoubleZero Posted: 21-Jan-06 10:23
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Bago I've sent it twice now. I sent it to suninyoureye@hotmail.com. Was it not attached or did you receive nothing? We'll sort it out. Maybe its still in transit. Also check the hotmail spam filters. If you still havent got it, set up a yahoo address and I'll resend.

Mark, my time wasting friend, you distort truths. I spoke at length about stefanos court case but his site www.genuinewinner.com/rentech.htm explains what happened, not your twisted version to suit your own interests.

You say I'm discrediting you without evidence whatsoever? LMAO. Mark. Seriously. Get help. I have stated the proof that you're a fraud. You just chose to ignore it. Most people are not stupid and can see through your bullshit. Want proof? See roulettesystemreviews.com. You NEVER address the points I raise because you cant. No wonder I lost interest in your computer quickly. You can never address the points at this site so you just say its stefanos site. As expected you completely ingore the point about your non-existant business name. No balls, mark, or just a plain fraud? But this is just one point of very many.

I have asked stefano to post here but he refuses saying you're a complete waste of time. I really dont blame him because all you do is divert attention and ignore questions. Face the facts mark, you cant handle I purchased stefanos computer over yours. You cant handle stefanos computer is far superior. You couldnt answer basic questions, but stefano addressed my every concern in detail. The end result is I'm very happy with his computer, and rather glad I didnt buy your garbage. I got it free anyway. Yeah sure its not a functional version. Even original purchasers say the same thing about it. Give up mark, I mean it, you seriously need to get a life and get some help. Its scary how twisted in the head you are.

 
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@DZ

I have received nothing, nor a simple mail. I have not set up my hotmail adress to forbid attached email, i can receive this sort of mails. I really don't understand why i receive nothing in my AOL box nor my Hotmail box.

I have created a yahoo adress: b_a_g_o22@yahoo.fr

I will download the messenger.

Regards.
 
DoubleZero Posted: 21-Jan-06 10:48
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Mark answer the questions:

1. Why doesnt your business name "mark howe technologies" exist?
2. What is the first thing you see when you load stefanos computer?

Two very very simple questions you continue to avoid. Not a fraud or liar? Then answer them. You are so full of hot air mark. I guess even the simplest questions are too hot for you to handle. You will definitely ignore them and other very simple questions because you are a fraud, but you have the balls to claim I offer no proof that you're a fraud. Anyone reading this can easily see through you. You are one pathetic lying, cheating human being. Please, get a real job instead of desperately promoting your junk computer on forums.

 
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DoubleZero

Check your yahoo mail. I've add you on my list, just click yes and we will be able to chat or send stuff.

Waiting for your answer.

 
DoubleZero Posted: 21-Jan-06 11:06
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Bago I sent again to your hotmail address, and to your new yahoo address. Surely you would have it now. Let me know.
 
Bago Posted: 21-Jan-06 11:21
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Hey DZ

I finally received it both in my hotmail box and my yahoo box. Thank you. I can't see your first name on it but your surname appears, so it is genuine even if i can't know from where you flied. But i believe you.

Regards.
 
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Finally! Was wondering what the hell was goin on. I dont know exactly what I'm allowed to tell you about the computer so you are best to ask stefano himself. But at least you now know I actually did visit him. Believe me if he made me fly all that way for nothing, I would make it very well known. I can honestly say stefano is a decent person and his computer is as he claims. Its not right that people criticize him but what can you expect with people like mark around. But in my opinion you should have the video recorder to make the most of it because you can eliminate much of the human errors in timing this way. It is basically a modified digital camera that does 60 frames per second. He did explain how beneficial it is but I thought I'd start with the actual computer itself. My only problem with my dealings with him is that he can take a week to respond to my emails.
 
DoubleZero Posted: 21-Jan-06 11:47
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Also mark, if the software i have of yours isnt fully operational, why did you send me this under your wife's name? You know, the name in the actual computer instructions (Alison Gianquitto biomorphic@hotmail.co.uk):

"Hello Double Zero, If this is your correct email address let me know it's you, howy posted it on GG. I have his real software, just cracked it, the one going around is flawed. I don't want to get into a battle with howy, but I can't stand the arrogant fuck if you want it and you are Doublezero, email me back and I will send it to you. to prove who you are tell me what GG stands for. John"

You are one sick little man. Are you trying to get an actual fake copy in circulation? Come on mark, any idiot can easily test it to verify it is fully operational, although it fails on level wheels like even your original purchasers claim.

ps, answer the questions. Dont avoid like you always do.
 
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Yes DZ i know you've visited him. The camera is a good idea to set up the computer at home but i reckon you can use it successfully without it since you can take sample of the wheel and ball, and then select the "test accuracy" to know if your samples are OK.
I had a question about the toe switch. You agree you need to walk with it in the Casino, and switch it on, so it must take into account your clicking during your walking and it is a problem. How to prevent this until you've reached the Roulette Table?

Regards.
 
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You just click one of the left buttons to suspend the program, then click it again when you're ready to play. But when the program is suspended, if you accidentally click the toe switch, then it would be like pressing number 9 on the keypad. It doesnt matter though as long as you dont hit call afterwards. If you do, then you have to hit no and click the left button to get back to the program.
 
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Thats funny Bago

Setting up the computer up at home from taking video footage LOL

You cannot use some cheap camera unit to take pics of a moving object in the casinos, do you use a sound man also?

Oh and maybe this is the same camera that Stefano used for his footage of his system at his site, you know, where the pic is all blurred and rather amaturish, especially from someone claiming he is well off, yeah, it looks convincing, NOT

THen expecting the air pressure and temperature to remain the same by the time you get back, it proves stefano knows very little about roulette prediction.

His Stefano still using wired switches and them IR50 hearing aids that tell the casino what you are doing?

DO you have to have Stefanos device on your person?

Stefano is way behind me, then there is the fact that is software does not work that well!

Do you know what is in the floor in most modern casinos relating to security, it cannot work that well, as someone would have been caught by now clicking switches near floor level.


You guys are really something!

GRIN

Mark ..


PS you was sent the email to Mattdeluca to see if you would reply and that was indeed yourt email address, you confirmed it for me, thats all I wanted, thanks!

[Edited by markhowy on 21-Jan-06 13:45]
 
creekguy Posted: 21-Jan-06 15:33
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Another pointless item, who cares if he is Matt DeLuca or Joe Schmoe?

For me, I see you avoiding the questions that DZ has posed to you. Why don't you just answer them for the rest of us to see if you have a clue? That would at least stop his claims that you don't have Stefano's computer.

Not sure what to believe and from who!
 
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Well again mark doesnt answer such very very simple questions, and instead he posts crap proving once again he has no idea what he's talking about. Who didnt see that coming? From stefano's site: "My computer calibrates automatically and immediately - the more spins you play, the more accurate predictions become. This includes for factors such as air pressure, humidity, and even sweat from the croupier's fingers." Mark, again your computer doesnt have even a third of the features stefanos computer has.

1. Why doesnt your business name "mark howe technologies" exist?
2. What is the first thing you see when you load stefanos computer?

Go on, amuse us again and say whatever to avoid these very very simple questions again.

[Edited by DoubleZero on 21-Jan-06 17:30]
 
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DZ
Your questions have no merit and no point, they do not make my computer less workable because I do not answer some pointless questions to someone with no real Identity on a message board.

I demonstrate my computer in person, thats good enough for everyone that wishes to purchase it, they simply see before they buy!

They do not need to carry the computer on their person, they can take timings remotely with just a pen and recieve the information they require with a hearing aid. In other words, my computer is Zero size in the casinos, nothing indicates I am using anything to obtain an edge, no tells, unlike Stefanos device. But Stefanos device does not work in the real caisinos that easily and if you have purchased it for real (which I doubt), you will soon see that his computer is actually ineffective like two other people have told me, one of them submitting his roulette device to me to test.

The info is relayed back to a hearing aid that is the smallest in the world developed by myself, it is the only unit that cannot be seen visibly in the world.

http://www.dropshots.com/Markhowy

You can carry on dreaming DZ, but Stefano has not got the technology I have, nor the brains or money to obtain it.

Never mind a workable roulette computer.

The guy is a fraudster, do you really expect People to believe Steven Hourmouzis over the international Federal goverment bodies that arrested him and charged him. His case is public on the net, just type in Steven Hourmouzis in google , take a look for yourself.

The guys not innocent and one must ask oneself why was he commiting fraudulent acts only five years ago if he had a workable roulette device?

I only spoke to him a couple of years ago and he had nothing then, you are easily led up the Garden path by people DZ.

Oh and who told you that Mark Howe Technologies was my company, somehow, hmmm I think that one is not registered with the inland revenue, why should it be, it does not really exist, but the one that does exist needs a name putting to it and an address, which you will never have. I do not like people prying into my private affairs, unlike Steven Hourmouzis and yourself that have all kinds of info about you thats a little harming to your character.

LOL

GRIN:-)

Mark ..
 
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This is getting tiresome. Fake personal name, fake business name (illegal!), accept payments via western union only, and you accept payments under your fake name of mark howe. Hmm.

You SAY you demonstrate your computer on level wheels, but doing it is something very different. The only person (3 people) I've ever known to visit you said you used a 50 year old wheel that was biased on zero and still after a day the results werent convinving. After a day. Hmm.

Yes sure you have some magical pen transmitter. Like your magical patents that plain dont exist. No patent number is there? Before you start making your computer smaller mark, concentrate on making it effective. It is a plain fact that everyone I know that has it, original purchasers included, found the same thing, that it fails on level wheels. Mark again wake up. You use pathetically old and cheap hardware. You are very far from using superior technology. Its obvious why you try and pawn off your computer for half price on ebay. Thats the sign of a desperate man. You do that and lurk on message boards. Sure thats the profile of a successful businessman.

How would you know whether or not stefanos computer works in casinos? So whats the first thing you see when you open stefanos computer? Oh I'm sorry, you cant answer that, still. Neither can the phantom purchasers you say contacted you. You have to lie about competitors to compete. Again your computer doesnt even have a third of the features stefanos computer has. He uses far superior and more expensive hardware, not a crappy cheap psion and you say you have superior technology? Put your money where your mouth is an accept stefanos $1M challenge. You have the money, right? Your computer is just so superior, right? So do it.

By the way, the question "whats the first thing you see when you load stefanos computer?" is not a question without merit. It is spot on. You cant answer it which proves you are lying and dont haver stefanos computer. Bago answered it correctly, but you cant.

Now seriously mark, did you torture small animals as a child? Why do you lie so much? No offence but I'm convinced you are mentally ill. No I'm not slandering you, I really believe this.



[Edited by DoubleZero on 21-Jan-06 21:56]
 
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OH!















LOL

Mark ..
 
markhowy Posted: 21-Jan-06 21:46
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DZ

I have a real name and business name, its just not public knowledge on this forum what they are, bascially because cretins like yourself would abuse the info and use it for harressment!

Your questions have no merit and no point, they do not make my computer less workable because I do not answer some pointless questions to someone with no real Identity on a message board.

I demonstrate my computer in person, thats good enough for everyone that wishes to purchase it, they simply see before they buy!

They do not need to carry the computer on their person, they can take timings remotely with just a pen and recieve the information they require with a hearing aid. In other words, my computer is Zero size in the casinos, nothing indicates I am using anything to obtain an edge, no tells, unlike Stefanos device. But Stefanos device does not work in the real caisinos that easily and if you have purchased it for real (which I doubt), you will soon see that his computer is actually ineffective like two other people have told me, one of them submitting his roulette device to me to test.

The info is relayed back to a hearing aid that is the smallest in the world developed by myself, it is the only unit that cannot be seen visibly in the world.

http://www.dropshots.com/Markhowy

You can carry on dreaming DZ, but Stefano has not got the technology I have, nor the brains or money to obtain it.

Never mind a workable roulette computer.

The guy is a fraudster, do you really expect People to believe Steven Hourmouzis over the international Federal goverment bodies that arrested him and charged him. His case is public on the net, just type in Steven Hourmouzis in google , take a look for yourself.

The guys not innocent and one must ask oneself why was he commiting fraudulent acts only five years ago if he had a workable roulette device?

I only spoke to him a couple of years ago and he had nothing then, you are easily led up the Garden path by people DZ.

Oh and who told you that Mark Howe Technologies was my company, somehow, hmmm I think that one is not registered with the inland revenue, why should it be, it does not really exist, but the one that does exist needs a name putting to it and an address, which you will never have. I do not like people prying into my private affairs, unlike Steven Hourmouzis and yourself that have all kinds of info about you thats a little harming to your character.

LOL

GRIN:-)

Mark ..

 
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Yeah ok so whats the first thing you see when you start stefanos computer?

 
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answer my questions first and I might play ball with you!

lol

:-#)

mark

[Edited by markhowy on 22-Jan-06 00:11]
 
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Around in circles we go. We've been through this many times. Anything to avoid the question, right mark? If we must do it this way, ask me ONE question, I'll answer it first (because you're a child), and then you can answer my ONE question. Ask away.
 
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DoubleZero

You are wrong when you say Mark's computer is sold for half the price. It has been sold for 15$. It is funny because he claimed that he would sell Forester or Stefano device for this price, but at the end it is his useless junk psion computer which has been sold for 15$!

LOL

Here it is:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Predict-Roulette-Computer-VALUE-2000-NO-RESERVE
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Regards.
 
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Thanks Bago. It's still a bit pricey though. It would have been worthwhile 50 years ago when wheels were easy to beat, but now its not worth the hard drive space.

So Mark, I'm waiting for your one question. We can do this one question at a time. I'm not the one with anything to hide.
 
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Bago and DZ

There are a couple of posts earlier where you a talking about a toe switch.

I don't understand why you are having a problem and having to suspend the program when you walk, It seems like a real mission to use in such a way.
There is a very simple solution to this problem and I am just curious as to why stefano would have made the switch in this way?

 
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moneytoburn, I dont know if this feature is done intentionally by stefano. It may just be what the operating system of the phone allows you to do naturally. I dont know enough about the phone's operating system to say for sure. But it is helpful to be able to suspend the program with just a click while you're walking around. Alternatively just use another switch or cable. Stefano also has a cable with 6 or so switches on the same cable that is designed to be built into various parts of clothing so your fingers are never in the same place, and so you can have one click here and another there and so on. One of the switches can even be on your toe so you have the best of both worlds. There is also a cable with a touch sensitive switch like a touch lamp, and you just tap one or more metal buttons.
This cable is something like $500 though but if you wanted to go this way you may as well get his wireless transmitters. I'm staying away from the wireless transmitters though because you never know what technology the casinos have. His wirelss xmitters have frequency hopping, encryption and all that, but I'm still not comfortable with them or any xmitters. On the bright side though you can adjust their range to just a few inches or a much more which would help. For me the toe switch is fine though. The split cable with multiple switches makes the most sense but you need to be a bit more coordinated so clicking looks natural. Anyway I think I've said enough about that for now.

[Edited by DoubleZero on 22-Jan-06 07:56]
 
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LOL

A six way switch harness that costs $500, but only contains $20 of hardware!

This is because he has not got the transmitters!

Several people have asked him for the transmitters, hes not got them, only pics of units from off the net!

You claim >

'Stefano can adjust the range to a few inches'

With a radio unit, I doubt it very much, having built radios since I was 5 years old, this claim in radio design would be impossible, if such a signal was limited to a couple of inches, you would have a very weak signal that would not be interpretated, especially if it was code hopping. This is the biggest crock of Sh*t I have ever heard. In all my life, I have never heard anyone claim such feats with radio equipment, ask on any message board if that is designer possible, they will laugh at you.


Oh and the toe switches have to be the last laugh, using them can cause severe pain in the toe after just 40 minutes or so, your Toe is not designed to click with a reflex reaction because the way the muscles in the feet are continually balancing which includes the toes!

The muscles down there are always in antagonistic stress. The only way to use a toe switch is to lunge and place weight on the front toe, or sit and take weight of the feet to take timings. Anyone can try this at home, just stand and watch a clocks second hand go by every 5 seconds or so, click with your toe, only takes a few minute before the aches kick in!

Now try it with a switch that has to be reliable and precise, each click has to be important in order to make the prediction. There is a little less nerves in the Big toe has there is in the tips of fingers.

How do I know,I tried it about 15 years ago for several weeks!

You do not need help discrediting Stefano and his claims, you are doing ok on your own DZ!

Well Done!



Mark ..




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DoubleZero Posted: 22-Jan-06 16:23
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Mark, have you visited stefano have you? Thats right, you havent. But you make up phantom people saying they visited him then contacted you. He has everything from infrared transmitters to touch switches. You have completely no idea about what technology he has. But I just use the humble toe switch. Pitty his web site doesnt have more information. The multiple switch cable has a few metres of cable and at cost price its something like $80 per metre. Not cheap because it's electronically shielded. You dont know what you're talking about but I guess it's because you use cheap components. Cheap cables, cheap psion, worthless software. I dont believe you have anything but photos of trfansmitters because the psion is not equiped to deal with such hardware. If it were modified to do so, it would cost so much that you could not possibly sell it for as cheap as you claim to. Your earpieces are probably nothing more than photos too. No patent numbers? Of course not. To me it just looks like you lie about your technology to try and convince people you're up to speed with stefanos technology, but you're not. Your software isnt even effective as many peple have found, including original purchasers. Your software features are severely lacking. Like I said before, your computer doesnt even have a third of the features stefanos computer has.

I didnt see your question in your post. Diverting again? So, are we going to do the question thing or is it just too dangerous for you? Scared you might be forced to answer a question? Or maybe prove you cant answer it? As I said, I'm not the one with anything to hide.

Also I just realised you are also moneytoburn. It says it on roulettesystemreviews.com. You are really pathetic mark.
 
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DZ
First of all I am not Mark, I have nothing to do with Mark.

I was asking the question about the toe switch because I am genuinely interested. I can't see the need to disable the program so that you can walk on the switch, there is a simple way to design the switch so that this is not an issue, I am just surprised that stefano had not done so.

As for the cable at $80 per meter, that must be some cable, to need several meters of it is a little bit far fetched, you would have it bunched up all over the place and the electronic shielding would make it far to bulky and rigid to be fed through the lining of a jacket, it would stand out a little.

IR transmitters in a casino by the way are really not a good idea, you might just as well have a wired connection for how covert it would be.

As I said I was interested, hence the reason for my question, but you are really digging yourself a deep hole here.
 
DoubleZero Posted: 22-Jan-06 17:21
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Mark/moneytoburn, even if you werent the same person, although I now know you are, just visit stefano instead of taking second hand information. He'll tell you a lot more in person than by email anyway. As I said the multiple switch cable makes the most sense because you have the best of both worlds but all I need is the toe switch/cable.

So mark, hows about those questions?

 
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DZ

You are really losing it mate, cool down, take a few deep breaths and
look at what you have written above.

DZ writes>
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Mark, have you visited stefano have you? Thats right, you havent. Bu
t you make up phantom people saying they visited him then contacted yo
u. He has everything from infrared transmitters to touch switches. You
have completely no idea about what technology he has. But I just use
the humble toe switch. Pitty his web site doesnt have more information
. The multiple switch cable has a few metres of cable and at cost pric
e its something like $80 per metre. Not cheap because it's electronica
lly shielded. You dont know what you're talking about but I guess it's
because you use cheap components
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Mark replies>

Its obvious you know very little about roulette casino surveilence an
d covert equipment.

First of all, shielded cables for switching are not really needed, bu
t lets assume you and Stefano think they are, it will not cost you $80
per metre, if that what Stefano has told you, you really have been ta
ken for a sucker. In fact Shielded cable compared with convential cabl
e is relatively very cheap, you pay about $1 dollar per meter extra. F
or the application you need, I can purcahse shielded cable for less th
an $50 for a 50 metre roll!!!!! Thats with the shield! Thats around $1
per metre!!!

I can supply several companies that will supply this for you at this
price.

The most expensive micro cable I have ever come across is shielded mu
lti core PTFE coated, used for Pacemakers, which I still have some san
ples of, this is extremely expensive, but it free from contaminates an
d can be transplanted in the body, around $200 per metre, I can send y
ou a pic of this cable if you like.

But heres a link to show you that Shielded cable is not that expensiv
e at all, you need to ask Stefano (or his real name Steven) where the
cable he has supplied you came from at $80 a metre?

******************************************************************

Do a search in google, I found some at $0.45 per metre, decent qualit
y too!

http://www.surplussales.com/Wire-Cable/Wire1.html
Tin / Silver Jacket / Shield Info / Notes Price
Per Ft Price
20-99 Ft Price
100+ Ft $0.45
(WHS) 16046 3
19 ga. str/tin (Tin Silver)
.285"O.D.,
gray,
braid, tin 0.70 0.55
**********************************************************

Now we come to the most fatal of all your posts concerning Stefanos C
overt Computer, that he has Infra Read transmitters.

Anyone using Infrared transmitters in any establishment, may has well
have a bright torch on their person telling them what they are doing.
Take a TV remote control that has a red plastic window so you know it
emits infrared.

Click one of the switches, see if you can see anything coming out of
the TV remote, I very much doubt it. Looks a pretty secure medium.

Now take your Camcorder and start filming, point the TV remote toward
s the Camcorder and press one of the keys, your remote will appear as
a very bright torch, this is how you test TV, Sat dish remotes.

ALL camcorders are extremely sensitive to Infrared, it is a by produc
t of the design of electronic cameras that can be put to good use, lik
e in night sights etc.

So using your Infra Red transmitter in a casino would show up very br
ightly on your security cameras in the casino.

Looks like You and Stefano are not really ahead of the game at all, b
ut playing at it.

This feature is known by most people with a little savvy in the elect
ronics industry, I bet Forester knows about this working with TV cards
!

Now for the touch switches, definately a NO-No. . .OHHHHAHH

Touch switches that work on capacitance or Resistance balanced circui
ts can be triggered by the slightest bit of static, casinos are full o
f static, I do not think anyone is using Stefanos computer, maybe you
are the only one to purchase it.

I know one guy asked to see a demo of his million pound system and sa
id he did not have time to demo it and that it was unfortunately not i
n the building. (Oh it does not exist DZ, just pointing the obvious ou
t to you)


When you eventually find out that the equipment and the roulette phon
e does not work, come and visit someone who really knows his stuff in
the UK, and demonstrates it on several wheels.:-)

I actually feel abit sorry for you DZ, that you have wasted all that
money travelling to OZ, then hiring a wheel, then laying out $4000.

I will give you a discount on my products to compensate if you still
want something that really WORKs in the casinos.



Mark ..

PS I am not Money to burn, ask the moderator to do an IP check, I do
not have to pose as other people, or write under different names.



[Edited by markhowy on 22-Jan-06 18:52]
 
DoubleZero Posted: 22-Jan-06 18:29
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Mark, who cares?? Cables, costing, switches blah blah blah. You are just posting more diversionary information to avoid the questions. You said you'd answer my questions if I answered your first, although I actually asked my questions well and truly first and you ignored them from the start. You will do anything to run and hide from such simple questions because they expose you as a liar and fraud. As you put it you said you'll answer if I "play ball". I'll play your immature little game though. So again:

Ask me ONE question, I'll answer it first (because you're a child), and then you can answer my ONE question. Ask away.
 
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DZ

I would care if I had been fooled like you have, seriously you sound a little immature and naive!

$80 a metre cabling and you fell for that, when in reality, it costs less than $2 dollars a metre, even for some really good quality stuff.

Shown Infrared transmitters, the gaming staff at gamingfloor will be laughing their heads off at this!

All those switches, the casino will have closed by the time you have that set up!

Now, if thats part of the set up, its most definately not Hi Tech now is it, in fact its rather amaturish and it will certainly get you into deep trouble when you try to implement your roulette computer in the casino. You then have to aks yourself how hi tech is the program as well, if its on the same par as the hardware, boy you are in trouble.

Then the video camera used first to set up, its a tall order filming in a casino, try it without getting caught, make sure the camera is pointing in the right direction at all times, lighting is adaquate and frame rate is good enough for capture, I have done it, and its not that easy at all, in fact, with some very expensive equipment, its very difficult unless you are an expert in that area. To go undetected is quite a tall feat!

Tell me DZ, what camera system have you got with your computer, you do not have to hide the model number of anything, just lay the cards on the table, what did Stefano supply you with, you never mentioned the camera before.

Oh, and what about is 'Tell the casino hearing aids' that alert the casino staff in to what you are doing. He uses IR50, you might as well wear earphones with the words roulette computer on them.

Oh, I remember, you do not need hearing aids. . ..

Just vibrations, can;'t be that many features that you can get into with vibrations now can there, think about it.

Stefanos phone system has been roasted by you, well done, I am sure he will thank you for it!

Oh and DZ, I am not running from anything, I give personal demos of my computer for free, you get to evaluate my product before you purchase, you get to see the transmitter pens, the hearing aids, the works, before you purchase anything from me! Thats how I conduct my business!

What I don't do, is palm my purchasers off with claims that the leads cost $80 a metre, that I have Infrared transmitters that are no use whatsoever and can easily be detected by the casino staff, that you need to secretly film in the casino before you can use the system, but let the customers fathom out how difficult it is themself!

LOL



you are not just NOTHING, You are DOUBLE NOTHING!

?Goodby DOUBLEZERO

GRIN:-)

Mark ..

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markhowy Posted: 22-Jan-06 20:40
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Oh and DZ

Avoid Stefanos claims that Codehopping transmitters cannot be detecte
d.

Stefano should say that they cannot be unscrambled, not detected!

The magnitude of the radio field strength is what all Scanners look f
or, the casino do not need to know waht is been transmitted, only that
you have a transmitter, so they only look for field of strength!

The pocket detectors for detecting such equipment cost around $20, I
have pics of such deivces and can actually place a short footage on th
e net showing how the casinos can easily detect such equipment.

It looks like you have really had the wool pulled over your eyes.

Lets check the high tech features of Stefanos computer>

Pricing and How to Purchase:

The price of the computer (basic package) is US$5,000 and includes:

1 x actual computer (Nokia phone)
1 x wireless earpiece induction loop and 1 x wireless earpiece
1 x data input cable
2 x DVDs explaining how to use the computer, plus footage for practic
e
1 x instruction manual (includes my full contact details)
The above includes absolutely everything you need to get started. How
ever, you can obtain the following upgrades/additions:

$5,000 - Encrypted Wireless Network - includes 1 x Wireless Vibrator
Unit and 1 x Wireless Data Input Unit
$1,950 - Covert video recorder (a small hidden video camera uses to r
ecord wheel footage for more accurate setup)
NOTE: The wireless transmissions use a variety of features to avoid d
etection including fast frequency hopping (changing frequencies often
to avoid detection), encryption, support for user authentication (othe
rs can't tune into the transmissions without a digital key), and radio
output power can be varied to ensure the signal strength is no strong
er than it needs to be.
------------------------------------------------------------

What a joke, everything he is selling would get you caught in the cas
ino, again, selling for extorsionate prices, Encypted wireless network
can be purchased for just $200! Totally detectable!

The hearing aid-Totally detectable!

The transmitters use a variety of features to make them totally undet
ectable, really, impossible, there is none on the market that cannot b
e detected by cheap detectors, if you want a link to purchase one from
(the detector) I can give you a link Stefano(oh I mean DZ). This shoul
d help you evaluate waht cannot be detected.

LOL

GRIN:-)

Mark ..
 
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Mark, again you post long winded diversionary information to avoid the question. But anyway, the fact that you claimed stefanos computer is the newton computer proves without a doubt you just dont have stefanos computer. The newton doesnt have anything close to stefanos computer features. The newton is not digitally signed with stefanos company name. But its still fun to watch your avoid the direct question "whats the first thing you see when you load stefanos computer?". My point has been made anyway, which is you just cant correctly answer the question, and you dont have his computer, but you criticize it and make false claims about it anyway. Not rocket science, is it?

In response to your diversionary dribble, I'll highlight he likely has all the technology you have, assuming you actually have your phanton pen switches, and a whole lot more. His transmitters are not pens you constantly click and send constant detectable pulses. They work in a very different way. Besides, dont you think constantly clicking a pen in your pocket would be a little obvious?? Like I said before, the shielded cable with multiple switches makes the most sense, but the toe switch for now suits me fine.

You havent the vaguest idea about stefanos technology or even understanding of actual real-life computer application in the casino. You havent won anything at all in a real casino with your computer, have you mark? I dont believe you have ever actually used any computer in a real casino, otherwise you would know better. But I guess why would you? You know it fails anyway. Stefanos transmitters release extremely short directional pulses, not constant 360 degree pulses from beeps and clicks, and not constant signals like a transmitter pen.

Again you prove you are an unknowledgable fraud selling junk, while unjustly criticizing competitors and lying about them for your own purposes.
 
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DZ

All radio devices emit in a 360 degree area, how does Stefano or the computer user know hes not in line with a detector. This is why the aerials point upwards on most devices, they have to be in the Same Radio Plane you fool. In other words the aerials have to be in the same direction for the radio system to work. All transmitters would emit for only a very short burst as used in the casino, you are not declaring anything special here, just how they would work in general.

there is no such thing as a directional Transmitter that does not radiate its signal 360 degrees, radio signals just do not work like that. That would be like stating that you can throw a Stefano pebble in a pond and it will only produce ripples in a small arc.
If you shield a radio signal, it kills it, try it yourself with your walkie talkies.

Oh and your knowledge of casinos is VERY LITTLE DZ, you now raise suspicions as to who you are, for you have obviously never been in a casino. To not Know about the allowable USE OF PENS in most CASINOS around the world shows you are not a casino punter, or even Stefano, for you would surely know that Pens would be the ideal disguised object in a casino.

The reason that the transmitters are in a PEN is because most casinos supply cards for to fill in and record numbers, they even supply pens, so a pen can be used for writing and taking timings in full view of the casinos because the whay it operates does not give anything away to the casinos.

You really are a little green to all this DZ, and seem to be backpeddling all the time with one excuse after another.

I think Fishman should reveal you IP on this site and look into who you actually are, if Fishman is looking at this thread I will supply links to where Doublezero lives or possibly who he is. It is very apparant that you are only here to critisise and create Flames DZ, which is surely not the ethos of this site. It is also obvious that you have purchased nothing from stefano, know notihng about casinos and show your real purpose for been here which isa for malicious reasons.

Grin:-)

Mark ..

 
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Again mark, you dont have stefanos computer or even components and know nothing about them. u still avoided the question. Just posted more crap. If you were to answer my questions and not run and hide as usual, I would send you a scan of my drivers license as well as the plane ticket. But you've already said you know who I am and even where I work, trying to intimidate me. So where do I work then? Sorry, I know u cant handle questions.

I'm quite aware most casinos allow pens and usually supply at least pencils u dope. What I'm sayng is for each spin you would have to click your pen at least 4 times, right during the spin and while looking at the wheel. Isnt this right mark?? Nah that wouldnt arouse suspicion, would it?? Sure you know a lot about real life application.

According to you, your pens tranmit to your ancient psion outside the actual casino. Firstly your computer fails in the first place, secondly the psion is too old for wireless connectivity of any kind and even if it were modified you could not sell it for so cheap because of development costs, and a transmitter that strong would be a radio beacon even if you could avoid attention from your very obvious and suspicious pen clicking habit. You probably dont even have the pens anyway. There are so many holes in your claims that your lies are so obviious. Time for you to find real work mark.

Oh and again, are u ever going to answer that one simple question? lol my point is certainly made now. Peace, mark.

[Edited by DoubleZero on 23-Jan-06 08:41]
 
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This is quite entertaining as well as educational. If nothing else, I am learning a lot about transmitters and technology. Seriously, you guys need to answer each others questions and be civilized. I think good points are being brought up on both sides. It would be nice if an outsider were to comment on the computer systems from both Mark and Stefano without the bias.
 
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DZ

You was not aware that a pen could be used covertly a few hours ago, why have you changed your mind.

So you think that a casino could spot a squeeze of a pen with travel of only 0.2mm, yep right, you are really stupid!

Tell me DZ, with at least 6 switches on your person, how are you going to hide your switching technique. Everytime you click a switch, your hand is hidden, the casinos are told to look for this. I have the documentation that was issued for preventative measures against roulette computers. Stefanos method fails with what you have just told me.


So if you miraculously started winning with Stefanos device, they would put two and two together and look for a tell like hidding your hands when taking timings! Or maybe the filming of the wheel with a film crew, shoulder harness and soundman. Because you still not have stated what hardware Stefano uses for this, this is because it does not exist!

I also have transmitters that go in the mouth!

So heres the bottom line>

1)DZ goes into the casino and films the wheel for a certain amount of time.(Considering he has small enough camera equipment and the lighting is good and the frame rate is correct)

2) Dz then goes and calibrates Stefanos machine and goes back into the casino with his 6 switch harness attached to his back, legs and chest covered by a thick jumper to protect the $80 a metre cable.Part Cyborg, part man.

3)Note, even if you was able to disable the program from the computer, it would be an hard act to explain why you are wired like a 747 boeing under your shirt! What are you going to say, you are into wire and switch bondage. The amount of wiring tells the casino what you are doing instantly, not exactly covert is it. You have also spouted your mouth off all over this site as what the casinos need to look for.

4) you start to play wearing an IR50 ear piece from puretone, that unless you have long hair, tells the casinos exactly what you are doing, again this is in the document that went out ot all casinos. Its not the smallest in the world like Stefano claims either, Puretone do two units smaller than this, but it involves ear impressions, as Stefano needs paying straight away, he does not supply this version. Check his claims at his site. Yet he knows the other ear impression units exist, yet another con.

5) Then the air pressure and temperature change, all your equations are way out, you need to recalibrate, ohh, you have to go back to the car and get out the camera equipment again, this you have to do every 30 minutes or so!

ETC

Then you switch to vibration mode, this cannot be transmitted to a second player if you are a team without the second player looking at the wheel, instant tell to the casino staff!

Not that many parameters you can set with vibrations either, I should know, was using this over 20 years ago!

so to your claims that a wireless link cannot be made to a Psion, you are very wrong, it was the first PDA to be devleoped, it was also the first PDa to use Wireless conectivity, in fact the walkabout was used for data logging inventory in the mid 1980s, even the Psion series 11 has a radio inteface. It was also the first Operating system to be placed in a mobile phone for programming, Symbian OS.

I would suggest you start doing your homework, get the facts right and check your posts before you click you send button, you are crucifying Stefano here and his products and your lack of knowledge on products is shining through.

How comfortable are you going to feel wearing all those wires, that hearing aid, using that camera, its not covert at all, its silly childish ideas that will not cut it in a high tech casino.

But its funny, nevertheless. ...

GRIN

Mark

PS Stefnaos software is on sale on the net, do a search for it, only $10! I did tell you!





[Edited by markhowy on 23-Jan-06 09:58]
 
Bago Posted: 23-Jan-06 11:37
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Hey Mark!

You are wrong, it is not for sell at 10$ but 15,50$!!!
No doubt it is a scam since the owner sells it for 2000$ on his website, but you can purchase it for 15,50$ on Ebay!

Here it is:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Predict-Roulette-Computer-VALUE-2000-NO-RESERVE
-0-99_W0QQitemZ6244673666QQcategoryZ73488QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ
ViewItem


LOL

Bago
 
markhowy Posted: 23-Jan-06 11:44
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Bago

It does not work, it was an evaluation package that does not work after a certain length of time.

Email the guy and ask him.

There you go getting it wrong again!

Mark ..

[Edited by fishman on 23-Jan-06 12:52]
 
Bago Posted: 23-Jan-06 11:57
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LOL!

So you are selling something which doesn't work!
Well, i think i will sell a broken car for 2000$, no matter if the purchaser cannot drive it!

By the way, where do you see Stefano's software is for sell? I did research and i found nothing. Give the exact adress or noone will believe you!

LIAR!



[Edited by Bago on 23-Jan-06 13:05]
 
markhowy Posted: 23-Jan-06 13:37
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BaGO

fIND IT YOURSELF YOU LAZY TOE WRAGG!

lol

mARK ..
 
DoubleZero Posted: 23-Jan-06 17:03
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And again mark doesnt answer the question, whats the first thing you see when you load stefanos computer?", yet he is still claiming stefanos computer fails. Mark you just cant admit you just lied and dont really have it. You just want to lie about competitors. Everything you post is either twisted, distorted or plain lies.

To get 100% accurate answers you should ask stefano. I can only tell you what I've seen of stefanos and what I know he has. But I'll answer as best I can although you still avoid my questions.

I know a casino would easily spot 4 x 0.2mm finger clicks. And the 4 x electronic pulses transmitted while you are looking at the wheel & using your fingers to click. You have something in your hand that is not casinos supplied! This alone is enough to make you look suspicious. The casino can zoom right in and see the slightest movement. See your thumb on the button. You think casinos are that stupid? Pen transmitters? Mark you should think a little more before you fabricate technology you dont even have anyway in attempt to make it look like you are keeping up with stefanos technology.

The split cable with multiple switches is built into clothing. You can lead each of the switches to anywhere you like including toes. Look maa no hands. It takes you zero seconds to set up with it because its already set up before you go into the casino. I'm sure you'd know this but you just want to twist information.

Stefanos video recorder is a modified canon exlim 750. It does exactly 60 frames per second every second accurately. It is fine even in very dim light. It's only slightly larger than the actual computer. It has a wearable button for the lens part and decoy buttons. To operate it you use the exact same cable you have with the computer, so toe switch, multiple switch or whatever. But you can just let it run the whole time anyway. You dont need it, but it eliminates human timing errors in setup.

As I said before, the 6 or so switch cable is built into clothes. He has everything from wireless transmitters, to toe switches. The wireless transmitters can be put into pens, lighters or whatever, or put in shoes, connected to multi switch cables or whatever. There is no limit to configurations. It's more a matter of what the player asks for but I'm happy with a single toe switch.

About the earpieces, the IR50+ (not the IR50) is the smallest puretone have. The IR50+ is replacing impression models and is the smallest they have. Ask them. I think puretone would know better than you. But who needs an earpiece and induction loop anyway?? Thats right, you do. I sure dont. How many times have we been through this point?

Stefanos computer auto-calibrates. How many times have we been through this too? You get your response then ignore it, posting the same cut and pasted crap repeatedly trying to lie about competitors. Stefanos computer is far more sophisticated than your junk mark. It has several times more features than yours. Just too many to mention. Your computer can save data for only ONE wheel, right mark? Stefanos can do any number of wheels and you can walk between tables freely. There is a long list, and your junk just does not come close to competing.

The vibration mode cannot be transmitted to another player? Boy you sure know absolutely nothing about stefanos wireless components.

Mark you use the psion 3a. An old piece of junk that cannot do wireless. Even if it could, do you really think such ancient technology could be undetectable?

Mark, your latest claim is you have a magic transmitter pen. Stefano has wireless transmitters too, and they can be built into anything. Everything you have, stefano likely has too, and much more. In my opinion you are just making up technology to make you look like you are keeping up, hoping that people will just purchase the basics, even if it costs only $15 from ebay. But you are selling a bulky psion 3a and make claims like your pen transmits to it outside the casino. LOL mark the psion has a tiny watch battery. Theres no way such a small power source could transmit that far, no chance. What batteries does the pen have, I wonder?? And you say it can transmit outside the casino? You have no idea what you're talking about and dont think through your lies before you make them. If the psion was modified to do the things you claim, it would cost you an absolute fortune and theres no way you could profit selling at the prices you claim. There are holes all over your claims. You are plain lying and dont even have wireless transmitters. All you have is an ancient psion 3a with a program that we all now know doesnt work on anything but tilted wheels.

You say stefanos software is for sale for $10. You say it is just the newton program. And this proves you dont have his computer and you know nothing about it, but you still claim stefanos computer doesnt work. Remember you cant answer that one question I keep asking?? You just dont have his computer. I do.

Through all of this you are trying to hide the fact that we all know your computer fails in the first place. Many of us got it free, and many poor people paid for it. We all say the same thing. Your only defence against this is claiming the computer needs some special code to work. Anyone can run simple tests to confirm you are lying to cover your butt.

There you go mark, I adressed your entire message although it was full of crap. Now answer the one question for me "whats the first thing you see when you load stefanos computer?". Dont really have it, do you? What a lying fool.

 
DoubleZero Posted: 23-Jan-06 17:36
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Hey bago, even if it was an evaluation version, the fact that he sold for $15 shows what cheap components he uses.

Mark, show us a video of your pen transmitter actually connecting to your psion. Not photos which can easily be faked. Show us you clicking the pen and the psion responding. I bet you cant do this, can you? You cant do a lot of things because you're a liar. Cant supply patent number like you claim to have. Cant tell me what you see first when stefanos computer is loaded. In fact the only thing you can tell me and everyone are lies. You are utterly hopeless mark and completely transparent. You just cant handle stefano has something far better. You have to lie about his products saying you have them, and you lie about your own products. Lies lies lies. You live in a dream world mark.

 
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DZ

Anyone would think you was Stefano LOL

The way you go on, take a walk and get some fresh air, honestly!

Puretone are making a smaller unit, a IR50+, but it is still visible DZ, don't you get it, it still can be seen in the ear, unlike my devices that I have done myself.LOL

http://www.dropshots.com/Markhowy

Now, stop acting the jerk and listen, if you claim that a casino can detect 0.2mm of movement taking timings you are barking mad my friend, seriously.

The fact is, you will be hiding your hand to take timings, an instant tell to the casinos. if you are using your toes, God bless them LOL

I will be operating a pen right under the casinos noses.

Now DZ, the transmitter units that I use can be fitted in any pen, one of the casinos own pens, thats the whole point.

The technology is State of the ART, totally undetected by Keyfob detectors that casino staff carry around with them which detect in the MHz and the GHz range.(such as Pro Hunters etc) Oh by the way, one of the units can echo off ALL mobile phone units, even if they are not transmitting, it sends out a Hartly occillator LC broadrange signal, which upon detection of the radio circuits in your Phone, will alert the casino that you have a device that can communicate by radio.

You would not be able to even get your hand on such technology, neither would Stefano, the transmitters transmit a Holographical picture to a matching chip that can decipher the transmission, the signal is tri-polar and neutralises and attempts at decoding, used for millitary applications and for secure over the air communications protocol.

Distance is 5 miles, 2 miles in buildings and 32 metres through solid reinforced concrete.

The technology is extremely reliable, can be placed in a cheap plastic pen and is totally undetectable. Power consumption is negligble because of the way it remains coherant, similar to laser light. Its unidirectional too and can be made to travel much further.

The CIA, FBI, SAS, Scotland YARD, Goverment officals all use this protocol where Covertness is of prime importance.

So you see, using two of these modules, with can convey sound as well as encoded switching protocol, you have a transceiver that allows you to leave computer at home!

Now, I should not be telling you this, never mind showing you with some footage, as I could possibly be breaking the offical secrets act as it is not public domain knowledge really, but most experts on communication know about it, and there is some stuff on the net about also.

The main problem is the miniaturisation of the componants which are not off the shelve items, so it was a small mean feat to get these little units functioning properly. I should say thanks to a friend for developing these.

So now, I can communicate with my Psion remotely, any mobile phone unit, a laptop, a server within about 2 miles radius comfortably.

I even tweaked my PDA Watch and got the unit to link with that successfully.

Anyway, you don't have to believe a word of what I say is true, you can call me a liar if you like, even about me having Stefanos computer (Which incidently, I do not have, a friend has though and we have already evaluated it).

I could just show you pics of the transmitters and the Casino personal detectors, but you would still call me a liar. Maybe some footage of the insides of the pens, the way it links and operates the computer, the way its not detected by convential detectors because it is totally covert, but, I would still be a liar in your mind.

Why don't you stop playing the fool and tell everyone why you are here arguing with people about something you know nothing about that are way above you when it comes to technology.

LOL

GRin:-)

Mark ..

[Edited by markhowy on 23-Jan-06 21:26]
 
creekguy Posted: 23-Jan-06 21:29
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I don't mean to stir the pot here, but I find this dialogue very interesting. Kind of a point/counter-point kind of deal. From someone who is seriously considering a computer purchase, this is educational. It would be interesting to see each of you make a list of features and benefits of your systems and then have a (civilized) rebuttal from each. Just a thought, I know you won't do it, but it would be very interesting from those considering a purchase. Thanks and let the best system win!
 
DoubleZero Posted: 23-Jan-06 22:55
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Mark, again no answer the question I keep asking and I even played ball and responded to every point of your crap-filled post. Now you say you dont have his computer but a friend has. Ok so since you have evaluated it, you would know the answer regardless. You only need to see the computer once to answer the question. But you cant answer. Why not? Because you have never even seen his computer.

Again your computer needs an earpiece. Stefanos do not. Again I tell you! The induction loops are what get you caught. I dont even use an earpiece or induction loop. Who cares about your magic earpieces that you claim are patented but cant supply patent numbers for? I sure dont because I dont need earpieces like you do.

Yeah I'm saying the casinos could easily see if you were using a pen transmitter. They see your thumb on it during spins. It has nothing to do with click distance. It's something the casino did not supply in your hand. It's a remarkably strong signal that transmits 5 miles. 4 clicks at least and 4 very obvious strong signals, even if they appear as static on a detector. It's 4 strange emissions when you are looking at the wheel with your fingers on the pen. For a transmitter to be safe, it must only reach relevant players and thats what stefanos do. You are seriously full of shit mark. Your pens, if they existed, would be as obvious as a normal switch in your hand. You really think something in your hand would not draw attention? lol come on mark, some casinos wouldnt even allow your pen at the table because it is foreign. You have obviously very little knowledge of actual casino application. In my opinion the best thing to have is the multiple switch cable because your hands or feet are not constantly doing the same obvious thing. But as I said I'm doing fine with just a single toe switch anyway. Just as long as your shoe doesnt move with toe presses, its fine.

For all I care you can claim your magic pen has a kitchen sink. You could claim it has a nuclear generator in it. That doesnt make it true. Your claims are nothing more than lies and imagination. Go on, show us you actually even have this pen. Not easily faked photos. Show us a short video clip of your pen hooked up to your ancient psion that cant even handle wireless. It should be easy for you to do if you werent lying, just like it'd be easy for you to answer my questions if you had nothing to hide. But you make a convenient excuse about releasing secrets, but my dopey friend, you have already told casinos to look out for pens. Your so called secret is out so there is nothing to lose from showing us a short video clip of the pen and psion connected. No wires. No tricks. But of course you cant do this because your pens dont exist, except in faked photos. Footage of inside the pens is no different to faked photos. Anyone can easily stuff electronics into a pen and call it a magic transmitter. No mark, what I'm asking is very simple. Showing us a very simple short video that proves your pen exists and most importantly can be connected to an ancient psion without wireless capabilities of any kind.

Creekguy, have a read of roulettesystemreviews.com about mark in detail. Plenty of proof that mark is a fraud. Ask anyone that has his computer, original purchaser or not, and they'll tell you it fails on level wheels. Mark does not even have his magic pens. A claim is a claim, but it doesnt make it true, and we all know how honest mark is lol see http://www.roulettesystemreviews.com/r-markhoweroulettecomputer.htm to see just how honest. I have asked stefano to post but he refuses saying mark is a waste of time because he just avoids questions. Dont we now know that is sure true.

Mark if you can either correctly answer my original question you just keep avoiding, or prove your wireless pen actually exists and most importantly connects to an ancient psion, I'll send you a scan of my license and plane ticket. I know transmitter pens exist, but show us your one connected to an ancient psion. Cant do that? Well, it's not rocket science is it? Liar liar pants on fire.

Lets not forget that it is well known your computer fails, or that it doesnt even have a third of stefanos computer features. Of course you say otherwise though. You wouldnt admit that stefanos computer is far superior, but anyone just looking at basic features would know this for themself.
 
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DZ

Stefano is the fraudster, hes the one that lies and you are certainly right when you say a claim is just a claim, you claim alot of things about technology with Stefanos computer, but its all airey fairy claims DZ. NOT ONE SHREAD OF EVIDENCE!!!. In fact all the claims about me at RSR are just claims , no evidence!
The truth is that Stefanos computer to be used using vibration would be very difficult to implement with different parameters, their is nothing more CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT OUR OWN LAUGUAGE been used to tell what the computer is doing, and why do you assume that my hearing aids use induction protocol, they are not, they use something totally different that cannot be intercepted and listened in on.

If vibration could be used easily, then we would all go round chirpping to each other like crickets LOL

So here goes, the computer needs recalibrating, was that 3 vibrations or four I felt, will try again, not sure, compared to the number 'THREE' spoken into your ear canal! There is no competition there DZ, only Waffling from yourself and a little bit of Quacking.

The bit where /Stefano claims that a laser point at your ear can hear the sounds in your ear canal is also very funny, ever tried holding a rifle on its target that is only a few centimetres across from 20 years away, pi*sing in the wind again DZ. Laser light can only interpretate noise in this fashion if it is reflected, the reflected beam has to bounce of a shiney object and hit a sensor that can amplify the shift. TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE ON A HUMAN EAR WITH NO SHINY OBJECT ATTACHED that can move around invariably. This method is useful on glass windows where some of the light is reflected back and the window is pretty stationary and static, but I think Stefano is leading you up the garden path with that story too, hes remembering little snipppets, but does not grasp the concept to well as hes not that bright. I think if you read all the BS you have written DZ, it is obvious that Stefano has nothing and you are just a BLOWHARD, a Fart in the wind! LOL

Oh and the infra red transmitters Stefano took out of a toy for transmitting, evetyone knows that Infra red can be detected by normal CCTV cameras, thats how you test if your remote control is working, point it at your camera and ity appears like a flashlight. Stefano is really high tech, yep LOL

Stefano CANNOT DEVELOP HEARING AIDS that are 4 times smaller, he cannot DEVELOP
TRANSMITTER PENS, OR MOUTH TRANSMITTERS because you have not got the finance, like you said above, this would require a massive investment to develop, something Stefano has not got.

So you hide behind claims that you do not need it, LOL

YOU SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE IN THE MATTER, I DO!
I CAN USE VOICE OR VIBRATION COVERTLY, OR A COMBINATION OF BOTH,YOU CANNOT!
, really, get caught with that Harness and you will have some serious explaining to do, even with the toe switch. It would be pure evidence that you have been using a device because you would not be able to explain what the wire was for if you was taken into a back room. None of Stefanos customers have used a toe switch and won yet on a regualr basis, if they had, they would have been taken into a back room by now, its very detectable, no matter if its shielded.

Your product is tosh, with just basic wire input that if fed down the leg is instantly detectable, don't take my word for it and I am not going to explain why, security at the casinos must be having a real old laugh at you:-)

Oh and the transmission pens, its the covertness that makes them superior to anything Stefano has, but whats more amazing, you can see that the units can be placed in a mouth switch or muscle sensor switch, so avoiding even the use of the hands.

You wrote DZ>
Mark if you can either correctly answer my original question you just keep avoiding, or prove your wireless pen actually exists and most importantly connects to an ancient psion, I'll send you a scan of my license and plane ticket. I know transmitter pens exist, but show us your one connected to an ancient psion. Cant do that? Well, it's not rocket science is it? Liar liar pants on fire
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Mark Replies>

The Transmission unit, be it a pen, mouth switch etc actually connects to any device, it does not matter on the device used to execute code, a Psion, a Laptop, A microcontroller chip etc

Because of its functionallity and distance it travels, there is no need to take a computer into the casino at all, unlike your mobile phone that can easily be detected.


Stefano could never compete because he does not have the finance to develop such devices. He even contacted one of my companies to ask if they could develop anything along those lines, but declined because of the costs involved. They only quoted him $18,000 dollars, he could not afford it.

Now, for me, showing me a license and plane ticket could be fabricated easily, or be someone elses. If I can prove that the Pen Transmitters exist to members of the board, you not only have to show me the license, the plane ticket and the hiring of the wheel as you claim, but additionally, if you cannot show these three things, or it appears non genuine, you agree to leave this message board and be banned from this board by Fishman and stop clogging it up with lies and BS about me and my products. I am surprised that Fishman has allowed you to stay for so long with all your lies and deceit.

We will see if you can stick to your word DZ

If you come back and say yes, I will try and upload some pics of the device today for evidence to members of the board.

You think you are backing me into a corner DZ, but I assure you you do not know what you are talking about, it is in fact you posing as one of Stefanos customers that is been backed into a corner, you have told everyone here that basically, Stefano has didly sh*t when it comes to high Tech, in fact, his system is just a phone and a toe switch, a cheap one at that! LOL

$4000 for a phone and a toe switch that costs around £70. Whos been robbed DZ?

There is not one item that you can show me that is high tech that stefano has developed himself, only HOT AIR!

GRIN:-)

Mark.. .

PS I want proof of the hiring of the wheel
Proof of the Plane Ticket in your name.
and proof of your drivers license with your address on it!

Personally I doubt you have it and are just bluffing your way through life DZ.

Wahts with the delay DZ, knocking up some evidence on the PC ,LOL!

Did Stefano show you his hamster rocket?




[Edited by markhowy on 24-Jan-06 08:06]
 
markhowy Posted: 24-Jan-06 07:22
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Hi Folks

Looks like DZ has bottled it, all that hot air has got him no where, all it has done is embarressed Stefanos product and reduced it to a phone with a wire that cost around £70.

Stefano pays £70

You pay $4000

To be honest, Iwould certainly go for Foresters device before Stefanos, the results are much better and the unit is considerably cheaper. I have tested both, and Foresters device does at least work with the right conditions.

For someone that has not tested Stefanos product in the real casinos yet, you sure have faith in the guy!


LOL

No hearing aid, thats making Stefanos unit difficult to understand with vibrations LOL

I have the best of both worlds, Vibrations and Wireless Hearing aids, my computer speaks to you, not bad for an old computer is it!

I have covert pen transmitters that cannot be detected using holgraphical protocol, state of the art that cost £30,000 to develop and the rest, luckily, the technology is been purchase by a second end user for a different application that will pay for the project several times over.

You see DZ, all you actually have, is a Psion in a phone that costs £70 and a lead that costs around $10 if that.

You have paid $4000

Is it sinking in yet, is it sinking in that Stefano is not providing you with any technology to help you on your way?

The only stuff he gives is CHEAP words, false promises and lies.

You will know when you have been in the casinos a few times that his product is fickle.

LOL

Still waiting for you to agree to the bet, I will show you pics of the Pen transmitters in return for you having to provide proof that you visited Stefano with flight details and Your drivers license, also the hiring of the wheel that you claimed would bear some weight to your fantasy.

If you cannot, you don't return acting the clown again with false accusations and lies.

Waiting for your reply DZ

LOL

Mark ..


Ask Stefano how Mr Balino is doing in the states, he has Stefanos crap, do you want me to invite him to the board DZ. Oh and do you know hes actually a Lawyer and is a major partner in a Law firm, Stefano has not got very long peddling his wares I can tell you.






[Edited by fishman on 24-Jan-06 13:14]
 
DoubleZero Posted: 24-Jan-06 17:40
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Mark, I dont sit on this board waiting desperately for the next message like you do. Yeah lol sure you're wealthy. You appear a little stressed and upset. I guess you are backed into a corner. Still cant answer the very simple question "whats the first thing you see when you load stefanos computer?". Of course not. Sure, invite your friend here that you claim has stefanos computer. I bet he too cant answer the same question, because he'd just be you posting under fake names again lying about a competitor. You do it all the time. Damn you are desperate to discredit stefanos computer. You just cant handle his is far superior. Just look at the simple feature comparison alone. It's not rocket science, is it? (love that phrase)

Actually the information at http://www.roulettesystemreviews.com/r-markhoweroulettecomputer.htm is backed up by facts which you of course know. In many cases your very own posts are the proof of your lies. Let people read it and decide for themselves. The list of proof is long, and you have been thoroughly exposed. Shall we go through point by point? You cant even answer the simplest question anyway.

The vibration mode has multiple options on how it is used. There is no confusion about the signal it gives. Again you obviously have never even seen stefanos computer. The earpieces are optional but why use an induction loop if it'll just get you caught?

Like I said, any technology you claim to have, stefano would already have it and much more. If he wanted to develop smaller earpieces, he would, but his computer doesnt need earpieces like yours does. Anyway again its the induction loop that gets you caught, not the earpiece. Must we go through this point again?? To detect your magical earpiece (induction loop) someone with any anypiece just needs to stand next to you. Pathetic security. His technology is far beyond yours mark. You use an ancient psion. You say stefano cant afford to develop technology like yours (ooh a psion ) lol mark he is extremely wealthy and has energy research and electronic gadgets you can only dream of having. Speaking of which, you dont even have your useless pens. Show us a short video of it connecting to your psion. Not your faked photos of pens with electronics stuffed in them. I already said not photos but you say photos as thats all you can provide. Show us the psion responding to pen clicks in a video. No hidden wires, no tricks. You can no more do that than answer the very very simple question I keep asking. Not rocket science is it?

No-one has actually won in a casino with a toe switch with stefanos computer? LOL Mark, I know otherwise but why would I tell you my business? You just want everyone to believe your transmitter pen is so great. Let me remind you:

Yeah I'm saying the casinos could easily see if you were using a pen transmitter. They see your thumb on it during spins. It has nothing to do with click distance. It's something the casino did not supply in your hand. It's a remarkably strong signal that transmits 5 miles. 4 clicks at least and 4 very obvious strong signals, even if they appear as static on a detector. It's 4 strange emissions when you are looking at the wheel with your fingers on the pen. For a transmitter to be safe, it must only reach relevant players and thats what stefanos do. You are seriously full of shit mark. Your pens, if they existed, would be as obvious as a normal switch in your hand. You really think something in your hand would not draw attention? lol come on mark, some casinos wouldnt even allow your pen at the table because it is foreign. You have obviously very little knowledge of actual casino application. In my opinion the best thing to have is the multiple switch cable because your hands or feet are not constantly doing the same obvious thing. But as I said I'm doing fine with just a single toe switch anyway. Just as long as your shoe doesnt move with toe presses, its fine.

You offer me proof of your pen transmitters, but just photos. Again dopey, I said not photos, actual undeniable footage of your computer being connected to a psion. You are desperate to shut me up and get me to leave the board. If you provide this evidence and correctly answer the question I keep asking, sure I'll provide what you ask and leave this board forever, except if you want my address, then you must give your real company name, assuming you even have one.

LOL you said "my computer speaks to you, not bad for an old computer is it". Wow it can play a sound file. Like magic! Good little (big chunky) computer.

Ok so you want a bet. Ok. Provide the following:

a. The correct answer to the question "whats the first thing you see when you load stefanos computer?" Such a simple question for someone that says he has stefanos computer, yet you have avoided it so many times I've lost count. But you continue to claim you've tested his computer and that it fails. Wonder why. Bago answered it even partially so I sent him what he asked for.

b. Video evidence that your computer actually connects to your ancient psion. Not easily faked photos. No wires, no tricks.

c. Your real company name, if it exists

If you can do this, I will:

a. Apologize, leave this board, and never to return

b. Provide you with a scan of my plane ticket, drivers license, and wheel hire receipt (currently misplaced wheel receipt but I'll find it eventually). I'll also provide you with a security number you can enter into a government web site to confirm my ID. Wont that be nice?

c. Send you a box of free chocolates (They'll still be sealed. No poison I promise)

You offered to start by offering us all proof of your pen transmitters, but you offered just photos. Read back a little, and as you already knew, I specifically said not easily faked photos. Go for it Mark. Or is this bet a little dangerous for you? Will you just post utter diversionary crap again and find a pathetic excuse to avoid your own bet? Of course..



[Edited by DoubleZero on 24-Jan-06 18:48]
 
creekguy Posted: 24-Jan-06 21:55
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Let's see both of you guys put up some real evidence... we will see who is the real deal. Forester should enter the mix too just for extra fun. I'm starting to think that all you guys are full of it... but I'll keep watching.
 
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Creekguy I'm ready for it. I have absolutely no problems providing proof of my ID and that I visited stefano. I just wanted mark to first answer the question I keep asking. Bago answered it at least partially so I sent him a scan of my plane ticket. To divert and avoid questions Bago asked, Mark once asked Bago to prove he is employed in the Navy, so he sent everything from pay slips to photos of uniform. Not that it had anything to do with roulette, it was just that Mark wanted to divert from questions Bago kept asking but Mark kept refusing to answer. Anything to divert. But even when Bago provided the proof, Mark just said it was all fabricated evidence. Why would anyone fabricate evidence about that? Mark just wanted to divert crapping on claiming Bago was not worth talking to because he lied about his employment, even after Bago supplied ample proof. Can you now see why before I send Mark all the proof he wants that I want him to answer the very very simple question I keep asking? If what mark says were true, it would be so easy for him. But he cant answer it because he has never even seen Stefanos computer, although he claims he's tested it and it fails. See all the crap he's written about other competitors including forester, and his post on the main board discrediting visual ballistics and his other competitor Lawrence. Thats 3 competitors, forester, stefano and lawrence he is just trying to discredit. Read everything at http://www.roulettesystemreviews.com/r-markhoweroulettecomputer.htm and try asking legitimate questions to mark yourself to see his reaction. Just common sense. He'll make up an excuse not to answer, divert, or do whatever. Anything but answer the questions that expose him. Common sense.

[Edited by DoubleZero on 25-Jan-06 01:46]
 
markhowy Posted: 25-Jan-06 02:45
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DZ

You are moving the goalposts, are you frightened or something?

Initially you said PROVIDE PROOF OF THE PEN TRANSMITTERS

OR

THAT I HAVE SEEN STEFANOS COMPUTER, NOW YOU WANT BOTH PIECES OF EVIDENCE PLUS MY COMPANY ADDDRESS.

Check your posts above!

My Company details are none of your business.

The reason I do not want to publically disclose Stefanos computer is so there is no evidence pointing at me when its released as public domain soon, as this is nothing to do with me, but an upset customer of his.

What I am offering is the following which is to do with my technology in the field of roulette prediction>

b. Video evidence that your computer actually connects to your ancient psion. Not easily faked photos. No wires, no tricks

In return, you leave the board

Provide :
b. Provide you with a scan of my plane ticket, drivers license, and wheel hire receipt (currently misplaced wheel receipt but I'll find it eventually). Not bothered about the password into a goverment site.

Oh and the stuff at RSR is lie DZ, firstly it claims my computer does not beat level wheels, it does.

Secondly it claims hit only beats old wheels, again lies to discredit competition.

So get your facts right.

I provided proof on this site that I own several wheels, most of them modern wheels, how many wheels does Stefano own? This evidence alone proves that RSR is a BS.

So this is the deal, but I know you will not agree, you are trying to move the goalposts as usual.

Its funny, Bago only sent a very scuffed piece of paper with his wage slip on it, and a pic of his hat, what about VIDEO footage from him, after all, he could have just borrowed the hat and knocked out a wage slip in Word! Its funny, pics are AMPLE PROOF in your post above for BAGO, but for me, I must supply VIDEO footage. You certainly like twisting things DZ.


My post on VB is not my personal opinion, its facts backed up with mathematical evidence. If you can see some Flaws in my mathematics on VB DZ, submit your argument against. Ans Scotts method is no threat to me, neither is Foresters system, if I never sold a roulette computer again, I would not be bothered.

As for Foresters device, I posted here that It works, I have tested this also, it is limited by certain conditions, but at least the guy submits proper evidence, unlike stafano.

Oh and DZ, for quite some time now, the program I sell is not on a Psion, jsut thought you should know. ...:-)

Don't move the goal posts, show you have some intergrity and balls.

GRIN:-)

Mark ..









[Edited by markhowy on 25-Jan-06 04:06]
 
markhowy Posted: 25-Jan-06 03:33
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Still waiting DZ?

You know I would never reveal my company details to you, so why add it to the challenge?

So you do not have to go through with it.

Most important is the proof of hire of a wheel, its so aptly gone missing, the receipt?

You are so predictable, I know I would call your bluff!

LOL

Mark ..

[Edited by markhowy on 25-Jan-06 05:29]
 
markhowy Posted: 25-Jan-06 07:37
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DZ

I am not really bothered about the challenge, nor am I interested in your claims at what Stefano has, I know different already.

All you have is a simple Phone with a wire, because thats all stefano has, you stated yourself that you have paid $4000 for a just a pohne and a wire on your toe.

Cost to you $4000
Cost for Stefano £70

He can supply you a hearing aid, but the casinos can spot these a mile off. Because he has not got the technology to compete with me.

You are using a toe switch, you told us this yourself, again totally detectable in the casinos, even if shielded. I will show some footage later to show you why.

Anyway, heres the footage of the pen transmitters in action, I do not lie, but it appears it proves your claims about me are ill-founded and incorrect.


http://www.dropshots.com/Markhowy

Now Dopey, tell me again what you use for a switch for Stefanos computer? Its not rocket science is it?

I can submit evidence to back up my claims, not cheap sites with lots of hot air..

GRIN:-)

Mark ..
 
creekguy Posted: 25-Jan-06 11:17
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Is the pen switch compatable with Stefano's computer? Pros/Cons? Thanks.
 
Bago Posted: 25-Jan-06 11:32
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Mark is diverting about his computer failing on level wheels, by showing us he has different earpiece and having a pen switch. He does that to "impressionate" people interested in his computer which doesn't work in the first place.

If his computer worked, it would have never been sold for 15,50$ on Ebay. That's something to think about. If it was a ticket for being rich, noone would have to sell his computer for peanuts.

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Don't be fooled by his pen, that's not the switch which make you WIN but the algorythms on the computer, and it doesn't have to be mentionned that Mark's one are not correct and fail. It has nothing to avoid timings error, that's the reason why you got different predictions when you clock the wheel/ball at different step in the spin. Mark's computer can only work on tilted wheel, because the computer knows where the ball will fall, even before doing your timings. Even if it worked, have you seen what you have to wear on you? a big computer + a big black box for the pen transmitter.
My claims are confirmed by three people who visited Mark at this home, and after a 8 hours demonstrating his computer on a tilted wheel, they were not convinced at all and didn't purchase.
Enough said.
 
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Hi Creekguy

The pen is compatible with any computer, phone or chip!

Bago

Do not be silly, because I have a heraring aid reciever and a transmitter pen, I do not need the computer anywhere near the casino.

Carry on in your dreams believing my computer does not work, you are only in France, take a bet with me, I will give you £10,000 to only your £500 that my computer can beat level wheels, I will do 500 spins to prove it.

That means I am offering you 20 to 1 that I can beat level wheels, if you are so sure, take the bet, it will only cost you £500 stake money and a £70 flight to the UK.

Whos the three people that confirmed that my computer did not work Bago, only ever have I had three people together at my home, the computer worked, they posted here that it did, so why the lies?

LOL

Really Bago, your bluff has been called!

Mark ..

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Bago Posted: 25-Jan-06 14:35
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Cloud was one of the three people who visited you. You demonstrated your computer on a biased wheel and obtain a 1 in 25,2 hit rate.

Now you want me to bet you will have a 1 in 20 hit rate on a level wheel! That's funny, i will travel to the UK and will record the demonstration for everybody to see that!

Thanks for this opportunity. One day or another, the little mouse leaves her whole and the cat catch it!

Bago

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moneytoburn Posted: 25-Jan-06 14:56
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Bago

one question that I think you should ask yourself is why would anyone put so much time effort and expense into producing accessories for a product if the product did not work in the first place?
Just a thought.
 
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Moneytoburn,

The main reason is to hide the fact his computer doesn't work in the first place. That's a nice diversionary way to hide the fact he is a fraud.
I will visit him and will record all the demo to see his computer failing, and then making DVDS for everyone on the board.
I know his computer is rubbish for having tested it, so i have no problem to take his bet.

Bago.

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markhowy Posted: 25-Jan-06 15:12
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Bago

Moneytoburn has got a point!

Why would anyone want the accessories if the product did not work, already , I am on my second batch of hearing aids, plus a serious amount of people interested in the switches!

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Cloud was one of the three people who visited you. You demonstrated your computer on a biased wheel and obtain a 1 in 25,2 hit rate.

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Hmm, do you know that up to playing to the last winning number, it was in fact around 1 in 21!

I did not finish on a winning number, but 1 un 25.2 is pretty good Bago not finishing on a winning number insuch a small number of spins!

I suggest you go back t school and do some maths!

LOL

Mark ..

PS when you coming, hmmmm ,, bring the Donkey. ..




It will be better at understanding the maths than you ...

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DoubleZero Posted: 25-Jan-06 18:32
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Mark, no moving of goalposts here. You wont provide your real company name, so I wont provide my personal address. Fair is fair. We are both entitled to privacy, although of course I understand you dont want people to know how little you really earn. Why would I be frightened? I'm not the one with anything to lose here.

So, the terms are you provide:

1. The correct answer to the question "whats the first thing you see when you load stefanos computer?" Such a simple question for someone that says he has stefanos computer, yet you have avoided it so many times I've lost count. You plain dont have it and have never seen it. But you continue to claim you've tested his computer and that it fails. Wonder why. Bago answered it even partially so I sent him what he asked for. This is one of the first questions I asked you and it has never changed, but you have avoided it for how long now? I ask it in every post.

b. Video evidence that your computer actually connects to your ancient psion. Not easily faked photos. No wires, no tricks.

If you can do this, I will:

a. Apologize, leave this board, and never to return

b. Provide you with a scan of my plane ticket, drivers license, and wheel hire receipt.

c. Send you a box of free chocolates (Would you like this term? Let me know).

Now you have uploaded footage apparently of your pen connecting to the psion. You have entered a bunch of sixes in the data menu, not interaction with your software. You did a lot of fumbling with that pen so which ones were clicks? When you said "click", were they just voiceovers like on your DVD demos? Mark, I did say no tricks. Bago will hopefully visit you end of Feb, and I believe what he'll say. You said Stefanos wireless transmitters can be detected because it is a just the signal that is detected. But my friend, you say your transmitters transmit 5 miles. Wow. Strong signal from rather small power source. You'll get a nobel prize for this! From a tiny pen? What rubbish! Even if it were true, where does the induction loop go?? If your technology was that advanced, firstly your computer wouldnt fail on level wheels, and secondly the induction loop would get you caught anyway. Does the induction loop plug into the pen? Even if your pen was legit, it would no doubt be a simple transmitter pen you can buy from an online spy shop and it doesnt change this: Yeah I'm saying the casinos could easily see if you were using a pen transmitter. They see your thumb on it during spins. It has nothing to do with click distance. It's something the casino did not supply in your hand. It's a remarkably strong signal that transmits 5 miles. 4 clicks at least and 4 very obvious strong signals, even if they appear as static on a detector. It's 4 strange emissions when you are looking at the wheel with your fingers on the pen. For a transmitter to be safe, it must only reach relevant players and thats what stefanos do. You are seriously full of shit mark. Your pens, if they existed, would be as obvious as a normal switch in your hand. You really think something in your hand would not draw attention? lol come on mark, some casinos wouldnt even allow your pen at the table because it is foreign. You have obviously very little knowledge of actual casino application. In my opinion the best thing to have is the multiple switch cable because your hands or feet are not constantly doing the same obvious thing. But as I said I'm doing fine with just a single toe switch anyway. Just as long as your shoe doesnt move with toe presses, its fine.

You have still failed to answer the first question. My original question. The question I keep asking in every message. The simplest part, Mark, and you failed. Your excuse is "so there is no evidence pointing at me when its released as public domain soon". Sure, ANY excuse to avoid the simplest question. You have never even seen stefanos computer but claim you know everything about it. I think my point is well made now.

Now I'll respond to the rest of your post:

Despite your claim http://www.roulettesystemreviews.com/r-markhoweroulettecomputer.htm is full of lies, anyone here can read all the points in detail for themself and determine whether or not thats the case.

I dont know how many wheels stefano has. Ask him yourself. What has that got to do with anything?

What has Bago's emplyment in the Navy got to do with anything anyway, Mark? All you ever do is avoid the simplest questions and find some excuse to divert attention.

You say I should show integrity? LOL Mark, do you want me to start posting points from roulettesystemreviews.com that show your integrity?

You have absolutely no idea what stefanos has. That much is certain. You cant even answer that simple question. Not rocket science. You avoided and avoided the question until you were forced to answer, and you have responded with AN EXCUSE TO NOT ANSWER, NOT THE ANSWER ITSELF. Not rocket science.

It is a fact I have used toe switches with stefanos computer with success and on more than one occasion, not that it is your business. Even if they were not fine, theres nothing stopping me from acquiring alternative switches from stefano. Like I said, anything you have, stefano would have it too and much more. But he sure as hell wouldnt use obvious pens. I dont think you've ever tried playing for real in a casino.

You go on and on about how supoerior your computer is to stefanos, but AGAIN, your computer doesnt even have a third of the features his computer has. The list of features is very long but to name just one, his computer saves profiles for any number of wheels. With your simplistic junk, you have to delete all data if you want to play another wheel.

About them 3 people that visited you for a whole day demo, they openly said your wheel was biased on zero. Not only was it 50 years old, it was biased! Mark a dead person could get a 1 in 25 hit rate on such a wheel. Why did they say they felt compelled to speak out about you because they believed you were nothing but a fraud? Damn you love twisting information.

Moneytoburn is you mark. It does not take a genius to see that. To answer his question though, if the pen transmitter is real, then it would be plain purchased from an online spy shop. There are countless transmitter pens on the market. Anyone can see with a search.

Now about your other thread. Isnt that funny. Maxell comes from nowhere with 2 posts to his name and stands up for mark. Not rocket science.

Bago, please do visit him. Make sure the wheel isnt tilted. Take note of all spins and write them down to make sure the wheel isnt biased. After all them 3 people that visited him clearly said marks 50 year old wheel was biased on zero. To anyone that wouldnt know better, a biased wheel might not be noticed.

Most importantly, the question I've been asking in just about every post, answer it. You say you've seen stefanos computer and that it fails. You have not adhered to the agreement. You have not answered the question, but instead you have made an excuse for you not providing the answer. Now everyone can decide for themselves if you are honest, or plain full of shit and now exposed for trying to lie about your competitor.

[Edited by DoubleZero on 25-Jan-06 19:34]
 
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Doublezero

You are a complete fool, I have provided evidence of the pen transmitter, you are not getting any circuit diagrams with it, thats for sure!

I show that it operating the Psion from a distance, you called me a liar,yet I have proved you wrong with the very evidence you required, which was video footage!

Now back up your statement that you can purchase an encoded device thats fits into a pen for remote switching, I would be very interested if you can find one, if you can't you are lying yet again, it seems to be your trait DZ, just lies, no evidence, no0 proof, just hot air again and lies, like you did when you scammed all those people with your internet fraud exploits.!

You also called me a liar about the hearing aids, again, I have supplied footage to prove they are genuine.

You obviously know nothing about transmitters and recievers or how they work. When transmitters are placed on migratary birds, do you think that the birds carry 12Volt car batteries on their backs, how do you think the signal is recieved DZ, does the signal carry further because the birds are flapping their wings faster. Because, I can tell you, the transmitters and the batteries are very small indeed and can travel up to 20 miles!

?In fact, the more you seem to write, the more you seem to be getting yourself into trouble on this thread about your lack of knowledge on transmitters, roulette computers, infra red transmitters, outside bets, casino security lol

NOW LETS REFRESH YOUR MEMORY>

You wrote above, word for word>

Mark if you can either correctly answer my original question you just keep avoiding, or prove your wireless pen actually exists and most importantly connects to an ancient psion, I'll send you a scan of my license and plane ticket. I know transmitter pens exist, but show us your one connected to an ancient psion. Cant do that? Well, it's not rocket science is it? Liar liar pants on fire.
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Mark replies>

I have proved my wireless pen and that it connects to a psion which is one of your requests, now wheres that plane ticket and drivers license LOL

YOu are poncing on a challenge, you have been made to look the fool here DZ, I have backed up my claims, where is your evidence.

YOu did the same when you challenged me with some pebbles that were worth peanuts that you dug up when you was a child from an old mine in OZ. You really think they are worth $1 million,daddy was messing with you, you know, like father christmas, thats not real either. how come you did not turn them into cash for the bet, I would have taken you on, but you declined to convert to cash, in fact, yet again Stefnao, you showed everyone nothing, JUST HOT AIR and FRAUDULENT TALK!

Either show us the evidence, or carry on back peddling and showing your vast knowledge of Infra red transmitters from toy cars and how to work outside bets from inside numbers, or send us a pic with the 6 way switch bondgage and fetish gear you have, Stefnao, you are a joke, and everyone knows it you!

You have just been crushed with your own knowledge on casinos, hardware etc.

Whos going to purchase that cheap phone you have to wear on your person? I don't even need a computer on me to beat the casinos.

My program has been on phones for the last 8 years, its just you never got one Stefano, because I do not like conmen that rob people.YOu got the cheap copy with the cheap program.

Anyway, I BEAT YOU STEFANO, I did your challenge, you bottled it and never had anything to give anyway, but I always knew that, thats why I did not bother waiting for you to accept the challenge, you had already written above, then moved the goal posts further away, sad but true, you are a loser Stefano, and everyone can see it in this thread.

You did the exact same with the pebbles deal, you bet one million ,claiming you had one million pounds worth of pebbles when it got nearer to me stating that I could get my Lawyers in.

Then you moved the goalposts, stating you wanted all the fim coverage, remember, exclusive coverage!

I said no, so we went down a silly avenue so that you could diverge off the topic at hand. So, in the end, I said, you can have the coverage, anything you like, all I wanted is that legally you could pay me the bet and that you had to turn the pebbles into cash. You declined! LOL

Ditto again STEFANO, pathetic really, a leopard never changes its spots, I come up with the goods, you squirm your way out like the good conman you are.

ROFLMAOAY

GRIN:-)

Mark ..



[Edited by fishman on 25-Jan-06 22:12]
 
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Oh and Stefano(DZ)

Please tell us about one of your customers, MR Balino, he purchased your roulette system and asked for a refund because it did not work, did you know hes a Lawyer LOL

Also, why have you been hounding several people with half price offers Stefano, I know quite a few, and you keep haressing them, offering it for half price, its my last chance, there is an offer this month, you sound really desperate!


Desperate and fraudulent, full of hot air!

Please show us some evdence that you have actually got a product that people can take seriously, you have no small hearing aids, no transmitter pens, only the vibrator in the phone(signals from them units in the phones, oops, told you some more info).

You need to get you head tested Dopey, its not Rocket Science knowing who you are!

LOL

Mark ..
 
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Mark you never answered the question I asked in just about ever post. All you did is post diversionary crap and long winded irrelevant information. Instead you made an excuse not to answer it. That is not the answer. We clearly set the terms of the bet and you have not met them. You failed to meet the simplest requirement which was answering the question. You said you wont answer because you dont want to be implicated by the offering of stefanos computer software for $10. But mark you said yourself you were going to offer it for $10 along with foresters software. You yourself said you have stefanos computer, then you said a friend has it. Your excuse cannot possibly be legit because you already implicated yourself by saying what you have already said. So what can you possibly lose by answering the simple question you have elected to dodge? The fact is you dont have stefanos computer. You know nothing about it but you claim it fails and that his technology is inferior to yours. All that crap about wires can be detected, yet you rely on an induction loop. A loop sends out an easily detectable signal. Your claims are so full of holes it boggles the mind. There are COUNTLESS points that expose you but every time someone exposes you, you lie, divert attention, ignore questions and go around and around in circles! I have addressed every relevant point you ever asked, but you have not done the same for me. When I address your crap, you just post the comments and questions again and again. For example, you say how your earpiece is so great and all and better than stefanos, but I kept telling you stefanos computer doesnt even need one at all. How many times did we go through that. The list is very very long. You failed to address MANY of my points. This list is even longer. Even if I listed them, you would just ignore them like you always do. Its not rocket science chap. Through all this the simple fact that everyone that has your computer claims it fails, both original purchasers and those who got it for free. You failed to meet the conditions of the bet. They were numbered out and very simple.



[Edited by DoubleZero on 25-Jan-06 21:00]
 
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Stefano(DZ)

You wrote>
NOW LETS REFRESH YOUR MEMORY>

You wrote above, word for word>

Mark if you can either correctly answer my original question you just keep avoiding, or prove your wireless pen actually exists and most importantly connects to an ancient psion, I'll send you a scan of my license and plane ticket. I know transmitter pens exist, but show us your one connected to an ancient psion. Cant do that? Well, it's not rocket science is it? Liar liar pants on fire.
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Mark replies>

I have proved my wireless pen and that it connects to a psion which is one of your requests, now wheres that plane ticket and drivers license LOL

So why do you think you are calling the shots anymore, your not, you have provided no evdience, in this little espisode, you have proved nothing, only hot air again. Have you got Terrets or something?
Its not rocket science is it Stefano, just prove you went to see yourself in OZ.

Oh well

LOL

Must dash, you are starting to get boring now!

This is Mark, bring yet another FULL HOT AIR ADVENTURE FROM STEFANO(DZ)

Mark ..

[Edited by markhowy on 25-Jan-06 21:08]
 
DoubleZero Posted: 25-Jan-06 20:09
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Just another thing mark. I could pick so many blatant lies in your posts, it would take several posts to just list them alone. You are a compulsive liar about your own products and competitors, especially stefano.

Like for example you stated stefano wanted full rights to the video of a bet you two made. Firstly that was not stefano communicating with you. It was someone else although stefano was telling him partly what to say. And secondly, it was YOU that wanted all filming rights, obvioiusly because you wanted to hide what actually happened. YOU backed out of the bet. I've read all those old threads. Anyone else can too. What an absolutely compulsive liar you are.

Fullfil the other conditions of out little bet and I'll fulfill my end of the bargain including proving without a doubt my ID. Drivers license, whatever you want. Oh thats right, you already refused to answer. Instead of an answer, all I got is an obviously invalid excuse to not answer. Not rocket science.


 
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Mark I already addressed your crap about your pen. I dont intend to repeat it. Its all there already.

I first posted here asking about your computer because I was interested in buying. But then I learnt about you and bought stefanos computer. I didnt post here again because I didnt need to. I had what I wanted. Then you started posting lies about stefano who is an honest person with a superior product. He's been good to me, so I stood up for him and wanted to prove you were lying. And that has now been proven. Instead of you answering the question that would prove you have stefanos computer, you just made an excuse to avoid the question. My point is now proven. You lie about competitors, among many other things. You have never even seen stefanos computer but claim to know all about it. Of course you now run, because you cant deny this fact. Of course you ignore all my other points.

Oh and your last defence, you accuse me of being stefano. How many people have you accused of being stefano now?? As anyone would recall and as anyone can read in older posts, you said I was matt deluca and you knew where I worked (so scary). Your excuse for not answering my questions (because they were too hot to handle) before I obtained either yours or stefanos computer was that your friend hacked my computer and found porn on it, so you didnt think I deserved a response. LOL Mark, this is what you said. Now you say I'm stefano. You have contradicted yourself so many times. ANYONE can ask you the right questions, and they too will receive a similar response. You will either accuse them of being stefano or some other twisted crap. ANYTHING to just avoid the questions. Anyone here reading it, try for yourself. Ask the questions. They will also find everything about you at http://www.roulettesystemreviews.com/r-markhoweroulettecomputer.htm is also true. Of course you claim its all lies, but shall we actually post some of the points here? Everyone can read for themself.

[Edited by DoubleZero on 25-Jan-06 22:56]
 
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DZ(Stefano)

You have lost your Honour and Integrity, I have shown evidence of my pen, you have shown nothing, you are not worth speaking to anymore because you are a loser, plain and simple!

You claimed my pen did not exist, I proved you wrong, so you have been made to look the liar here also.

You can carry on with your rants and raves, but with no evidence, no hearing aids, no transmitter pens, just a cheap phone with a wire, your product is finished.

I do not need to take a computer into the casinos anymore LOL

It is you that is been exposed as another HOT AIR ADVENTURE!

Don't you think there are similarities in your style of writing LOL

Its not Rocket Science is it Stefano(DZ)

You are just a blowhard with a large Ego to try and satisfy, but you have been rumbled as a liar , you offered to show me proof of where you live, your plane ticket etc if I showed you the pen working on video, its looks like you have shown everyone on this site what you are made of DZ.(Stefano)

Topic has ended for me, I have shown evidence of what I have, you have not!

LOL

GRIN:-)

YOU LOSE!

What we do in Life, echoes in Eternity <The Gladiator>

Mark ..



[Edited by markhowy on 26-Jan-06 04:38]
 
DoubleZero Posted: 26-Jan-06 11:22
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Mark you make out as if this was all about your pens. It never was, and you havent won some big victory like you pretend. You are the most immature grown man I've ever known. It was about your claiming you had stefanos computer and it failed, and I wanted to prove you were lying because I know better. Thats what I did. I asked you the same question over and over, and you just ignored it and diverted every time. You crapped on about everything from switches to pens. In the end, instead of actually answering the question I asked in just about every post, you made an excuse to avoid it. So who "won"? It was never about your pens, it was about proving you were lying about competitors. You have never even seen stefanos computer and you know nothing about it. Additional to constantly ignoring the question I asked on almost every post, you ignored countless questions because you couldnt answer them. You have just been looking for an excuse to run and hide from them all. So many ignored questions and comments could be re-posted, but you'd only ever ignore them constantly as usual. The info is here, your avoidance of many questions, and most importantly your excuse for not answering the question that this was all about is here too. This was never about your pen. Your pen was just one of your diversions along the way because you couldnt answer the question.
 
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DZ

I am won a big Victory, in your own words you said to me, prove you have the Transmitter pens

OR

Prove you have Stefanos computer.

Heres your post DZ>

You wrote>
NOW LETS REFRESH YOUR MEMORY>

You wrote above, word for word>

Mark if you can either correctly answer my original question you just keep avoiding, or prove your wireless pen actually exists and most importantly connects to an ancient psion, I'll send you a scan of my license and plane ticket. I know transmitter pens exist, but show us your one connected to an ancient psion. Cant do that? Well, it's not rocket science is it? Liar liar pants on fire.
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Mark replies>

I have proved my wireless pen and that it connects to a psion which is one of your requests, I had the choice of either request, you say 'OR' in your paragraph, now wheres that plane ticket and drivers license DZ LOL

So why do you think you are calling the shots anymore, your not, you have provided no evidence, in this little espisode, you have proved nothing, only hot air again. Have you got Terrets or something?
Its not rocket science is it Stefano, just prove you went to see yourself in OZ.


Now DZ, if you was a bit more honourable, I would answer your question about Stefanos computer also, but as you have pulled out of your part of your challenge, you are no longer worth the time.

You came on here slating my computer, yet you do not know anything about it at all, you have a lame copy that does not work properly.



you talk a lot of cheap talk DZ, lie and flame people!

What about Mr Balino, a purchaser of Stefanos roulette system, does he get the refund, or is Stefano going to carry on ignoring him for ever.

I think its about time some more evidence was presented on this forum about Mr Steven Hourmouzis.

LOL

GRIN:-)

Mark . .

PS look down the thread and the amount of rubbish you made up DZ, the lack of knowledge you show when it comes to roulette, then the obvious, that you are Stefano!





[Edited by markhowy on 26-Jan-06 19:23]
 
DoubleZero Posted: 26-Jan-06 21:13
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Mark, the terms of the bet were even numbered. Who cares about your pen anyway? It was just crap you brought up to divert from the question I kept asking, and the fact that you have never even seen stefanos computer but still claim it fails. Your computer fails on level wheels with or without a pen. The pen does nothing to change that. Many people have said it, both original purchasers and those who received it for free.

Now if you want to play the quoting game, in your last post you said "Now DZ, if you was a bit more honourable, I would answer your question about Stefanos computer also, but as you have pulled out of your part of your challenge, you are no longer worth the time."

No doubt you'll avoid the question again, but here's a scan of my license, my plane ticket, and stefanos computer. I didnt need to show a pic of the computer but did anyway:

http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=comptiktlicense8eu.jpg

Like you chose not to disclose your company name, I chose to black out parts. No company name from you, no address and further details of me.

In the photo, the main program is open and showing part of the settings menu. Are you sure I dont have stefanos computer? I obtained stefanos permission to post this photo.

Sooo, keep to your word and answer the question "whats the first thing you see when you load stefanos computer?". Still can't answer it? Well, it's not rocket science is it? Why not take a wild stab at it so I can prove you are lying? You are a lying fraud mark. You are selling a computer only effective on tilted wheels, and have to lie about stefanos product to try and compete. Stefanos computer not only is effective on level wheels, he also has a variety of wireless transmitters. But to have something at all in your hand like a pen is stupidity. If you want to know about his wireless transmitters, ask him yourself because unlike you, he doesn't post his secrets all over forums for casino staff to see.

[Edited by DoubleZero on 26-Jan-06 22:18]
 
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DZ

Now lets play fair, you are not going to prove you are honorable with that surely, I have to do a video, you send me a collection of pics that could be from anywhere!

I said if you read above, you will see I asked for footage of the computer of Stefanos near a famous monument, not a snapshot sent by Stefano and put together with your tripe.

Now lets do it properly, what do you take me for?

Footage of the phone been operated, lets make sure its not some simple snap shot!

Oh dear Stefano, you will have to do better than that!

Why are you hiding your drivers details, was that part of the challenge LOL

Really DZ, I would not have bothered, it proves didly!

LOL

Funny though. ..

Especially when you can undo the black on the drivers licence!

Mark ..






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DZ

How can transmitter pens be a secret, you said yourself, everyone knows they exist ?

Now you contradict yourself and state I am revealing a secret to try and discredit me LOL

I have heard that Stefano uses Carrion pigion to transmit the data, painted red to confuse the casino staff, or alternatively, right from your own mouth, INFRA RED transmitters.

Whats the fool doing now, putting together some pics of transmitters from the net LOL

Ther drivers license looks convincing, until you look closely at it lol.

Hows the six switch harness doing, you managed to take it off yet, oops, you never got it on, you got all hot and bothered.

I was going to post Superman with Stefanos phone, claim he had it too, it would have been as convincing as your pics!

LOL

Mark ..



 
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Mark... lol you are PATHETIC! Utterly pathetic. I knew without a doubt you'd run and hide with some pathetic excuse. ANY excuse to avoid the question. You don't even reveal your real company name. Instead on your site you have a fake and unregistered name of "mark howe technologies" (illegal), you even say yourself your real name is not "mark anthony howe", you only accept payments anonymously through western union, and you have the audacity to ask me to reveal private information that could be used to defraud me and steal my identity? You have already proved what a fraud you are.

You have made false claims all over the place about stefanos computer. Anyone that has his computer would know this. I actually have it. You dont and that is now completely obvious. You have obviously never even seen it! You have failed to answer the most basic question I keep asking which is "whats the first thing you see when you load stefanos computer?".

Yeah, you say I lose. Other way around, chappy. You have absolutely zero credibility when you had none to begin with if anyone cared to research about you. Stop cheating people. Stop lying about competitors. Stop making false claims about your computer. Stop creating phantom customers of stefanos to lie about him on message boards. Stop accusing everyone of being stefano. Grow up mark I really think you should give up promoting your pathetically simple ineffective computer and get a job.

I have your computer. Bago has it. Stefano has it. Zapata has it. Many people have it, and we all say the same thing. Your computer fails on level wheels. You are exposed. It's useless in real casinos. Even if it did work, it doesnt have essential features. It only succeeds on very easily beaten tilted wheels. Your excuse for everyone finding this is that the version we all have deliberately doesnt work. You have said this to people that both bought your computer directly from you and got it free. I'm glad I didnt pay for it, and dont try telling me that crap about me having an disabled copy because simple tests on the software prove otherwise. Again even original purchasers say the same thing.

I have provided what I said I would, and you chicken out. Actually it's more than you plain can't answer the question, and we all know what that means. What an incompetent fumbling loser you are. My point is now thoroughly proven.
 
DoubleZero Posted: 26-Jan-06 23:27
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Oh and Mark, if you have really seen and tested stefanos computer, how simple would it be for you to answer the simple question I keep asking? INCREDIBLY SIMPLE. You went through the effort of making a short video, but you are avoiding the simplest question and making pathetic excuses because you just want to lie about a competitor. You have already said you will make stefanos and foresters computer available on disk for $10. Then you said it would soon be made available, but by someone else. Then you said it was available and when Bago asked where, you told him to find it himself. Now on this very thread your excuse for avoiding the question in your own words in this very thread was "The reason I do not want to publically disclose Stefanos computer is so there is no evidence pointing at me when its released as public domain soon, as this is nothing to do with me, but an upset customer of his." LOL what a load of bullshit! Neither you or the phantom upset customer can answer the question because you have never even seen stefanos computer, and this phantom purchaser doesnt even exist! You even said stefanos computer was just the newton computer which alone is even enough proof that you have never even seen stefanos computer! Well now you feel like a real dope, dont you? How easy is it to discredit you??

You avoid so so so many questions and points that expose you. Even if you knew another purchaser of stefanos (not fake ones like you create) they could easily tell you the answer. Why not contact one of the many people you claim have contacted you to say stefanos computer fails and that he cheated them? Because you cant. You are lying, and you post your lies and spam all over message boards to harm an honest person just because he's your competition. That is immoral, illegal, and just plain pathetic. No matter what, you still cannot answer the question. Now thats certainly not rocket science, is it?


[Edited by DoubleZero on 27-Jan-06 00:49]
 
markhowy Posted: 27-Jan-06 05:26
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Ask Stefano if we can invite Stephen Balino to this site then!

This is one of Stafanos customers who bought has system, Stefano even mentioned this guy on this site himself, so the guy definately exists and Stefano definately knows this guy.

We could show proof of payment and invite Balino to the board.

You still have not shown any evidence, whaty was the pictures about, Stefano could have sent you one pic of a computer, this does not prove you have it, and you seem to be getting rather angry that you cannot produce the goods.

DZ, we need the plane ticket, the proof you hired a wheel, and some footage of the computer with say some famous landmark where you live in the background, then THE WHOLE BOARD MIGHT BELIEVE YOU, to date, you are showing No EVIDENCE whatsoever, again just anothewr Hot Air Adventure!

I have not stated I am putting Foresters or Stefnaos system for sale for $10, that is someone else, I know hes going forward with Stefanos stuff, but not sure about Foresters?

YOU SEEM TO BE REALLY BACK PEDDLING NOW, WHERES THE FOOTAGE AND EVIDENCE YOU WAS GOING TO SUPPLY?

PROOF of PLANE TICKET?

PROOF OF HIRING OF WHEEL?

PROOF OF HAVING STEFANOS COMPUTER?

Oh and please, on the same format I supplied, Video, not some silly pic that Stefano has sent you, not bothered about your drivers license either, ano0ther side tracking of yours.

Lets stick to the facts, you said the following>

Heres your post DZ>

You wrote>
NOW LETS REFRESH YOUR MEMORY>

You wrote above, word for word>

Mark if you can either correctly answer my original question you just keep avoiding, or prove your wireless pen actually exists and most importantly connects to an ancient psion, I'll send you a scan of my license and plane ticket. I know transmitter pens exist, but show us your one connected to an ancient psion. Cant do that? Well, it's not rocket science is it? Liar liar pants on fire.
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Mark replies>

I have proved my wireless pen and that it connects to a psion which is one of your requests, I had the choice of either request, you say 'OR' in your paragraph, now wheres that plane ticket and drivers license DZ LOL

So why do you think you are calling the shots anymore, your not, you have provided no evidence, in this little espisode, you have proved nothing, only hot air again. Have you got Terrets or something?
Its not rocket science is it Stefano, just prove you went to see yourself in OZ.


EVERYONE IS WAITING FGOR YOU TO PRODUCE THE EVIDENCE, OTHERWISE YOU ARE A LIAR DOUBLEZERO!

YOu ARE MAKING A FOOL OF YOURSELF!

GRIN:-)

Mark. .

YOU HAVE ALREADY LOST YOUR CREDABILITY, you have no EVIDENCE!

LOL

 
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Mark, are you utterly insane or just plain stupid? Likely both. You need serious help, I mean it. You have completely ignored my answers, AND scans of my drivers license, plane ticket for when I visited stefano, plus photo of stefanos computer showing part of the settings. You just cut and paste old posts! Pathetic! You are one lost soul.

I couldnt care less about this Ballino character even if he exists. That has nothing to do with anything here. Absolutely nothing. It is just another diversion because this is too hot for you to handle. As docker pointed out, when you create false identities to lie about competitors you dont even put thought into your posts! And you say you want me to create footage of stefanos computer. I could easily do so, but what for? I provided what was agreed, and more, and now you post utter crap (again). Would you like me to quote you on our agreement? Is it really needed when the post is already here? You never even asked for proof I had stefanos computer in our agreement, but I provided it anyway. Even if I provided footage, you would just do the same thing. You have totally lost it mark.

You, my friend, are the one backpeddling and completely avoiding whats important and just posting absolute diversionary crap. You just cut and paste previous posts like an absolute trapped dope!

You said "I have proved my wireless pen and that it connects to a psion which is one of your requests, I had the choice of either request, you say 'OR' in your paragraph, now wheres that plane ticket and drivers license DZ LOL".

Now dopey, again see:

http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=comptiktlicense8eu.jpg

So let me quote you:

"Now DZ, if you was a bit more honourable, I would answer your question about Stefanos computer also, but as you have pulled out of your part of your challenge, you are no longer worth the time."

No answer to the question that this is all about. It all started with your lies at http://www.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&act
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on=opentopic&topic=100&forum=Gambling_Tools. Boy you have made an absolute fool of yourself.

You did the same thing to Bago. He provided what you asked and made a fool out of you, although you avoided his questions, then you just crapped on more. Do you really think people on this board cannot read? Do you think they are that stupid? It's pretty damn clear to anyone with at least 2% of a brain, you are the one who has made an absolute fool of yourself. I dont need to post anything further to prove what a liar you are. You are your own worst enemy.
 
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Oh and PS, whats the first thing you see when you load stefanos computer? lol Mark, you are one pathetic human being.
 
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Wow... the fun continues. I say bring on Balino! Let's hear what he has to say. It sure would be nice to hear from a client that has purchased a unit from each of you and see what they have to say. An unbiased report of some sort. I have talked to two people that were looking at a computer purchase from Stefano, Forester or Mark and now both have decided to go a different direction. I am still on the fence and would need unbiased proof before I were to purchase anything for that kind of money. I have a feeling the challenge with Bago will never happen and I don't know of anyone who has purchased Stefano's or Forester's computer that is willing to talk about it honestly. But, it has been interesting reading as you guys battle each other and scare away potential clients. If you were to display some type of fact/benefits or feature/benefits without all of the other crap, it may help you. I would personally like to hear from people who are actually using these products with or without success and be honest about it. But... looks unlikely that it will happen. Anyway, keep up the good work... it is entertaining! Bring on Balino!
 
creekguy Posted: 27-Jan-06 07:17
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DZ... I tried to go to the web address you mentioned above (image shack) but I just get error messages. Is there something missing in the address? Thanks

[Edited by creekguy on 27-Jan-06 08:42]
 
DoubleZero Posted: 27-Jan-06 07:49
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Creekguy, which link? If you mean the scans, I tested it and it works fine. Maybe try again later. If you mean the forum thread, you need to cut/paste/join the whole address.

You wont find a lot of people wanting to speak about especially stefanos computer. We all signed several agreements including non disclosure. I've received special permission from stefano to post about it here as long as I dont reveal information that would aid casinos in detection.

I dont think the challenge with Bago will happen either. Mark always chickens out when it counts. He always finds some excuse however pathetic it may be. You can get marks computer for free anyway if you want to see for yourself. Lots of us here have it.

Stefano already lists features at his site roulettecomputers.com but you really, really need to visit him personally for a complete explanation of the whats, whys and hows. He wont say some things just by email for good reason.

Have you read http://www.roulettesystemreviews.com/r-markhoweroulettecomputer.htm? Gives you a very good idea of who/what mark really is. Rather good if you are after entertainment. Try ask mark questions that count and he'll find some excuse to ignore them or divert attention. Try it yourself. The best value for money entertainment in town. It doesnt take a genius to figure out whats fact and whats not.

I have both stefanos and marks computer. Stefanos is by far superior. Better with more features, far more accurate, more practical, much better discretion to name a few points. Marks is comparitavely very simplistic and doesnt work on anything but tilted wheels. Like I said, grab a free copy and see for yourself. Dont just take my word. Dont worry it doesnt have a copyright notice of any kind. It's a simple program that would take an experienced programmer about a day to create.
 
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OK, got it to work (web address), it was just being fussy I guess. DZ, what did it cost you to rent a wheel? How far in advance did you need to let them know? How often do you use Stefano's computer? Do you think it is really worth 10k? Thanks

[Edited by creekguy on 27-Jan-06 09:46]
 
DoubleZero Posted: 27-Jan-06 14:43
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Creekguy, theres a few australian companies that do it. Prices vary. I paid over $600 australian dollars. You may have to pick one up from sydney if you cant book one in melbourne. Let them know as early as possible if you're going overseas but stefano has a wheel you can use anyway. There are photos of it on his site. I have used stefanos successfully on multiple occasions. You have to sign several agreements and provide paperwork like passport copies before actually seeing stefano. I'm still bound by non disclosure agreements so there are things I arent allowed to say. It most certainly is worth the price. I wish I could disclose everything about it but there is good reason not to. If you ask stefano about the legal issues he'll explain it but thats only part of it. On that note, mark obviously has no ideas about the legal issues. Be sure to ask about this if you visit stefano and want some extra entertainment.
 
markhowy Posted: 27-Jan-06 15:33
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We still need evidence from you DZ

I still want the footage in washington, this will prove you have stefanos computer, it will also prove you visited him and that you are not Stefano.

THats why you will not submit the footage!

We would also like the Hiring paperwork from the roulette company!

If you can't do this, then you are a liar!

Remember this post>
Author Topic: Is there a STEPHEN BALLINO in the house?
genuinewinner Posted: 16-Feb-05 01:03 Edit

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You there Stephen? Here kitty kitty
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LOL

Mark ..

[Edited by markhowy on 27-Jan-06 20:18]
 
DoubleZero Posted: 27-Jan-06 21:18
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Mark I provided exactly what I said I would, and more. Now that its provided, you are trapped with nowhere to go looking like a real fool, so you do the pathetically predictable thing of making excuses to avoid the question. Who didnt predict that one? Plus you post about some ballino character which has nothing to do with anything here. Do your thing and run and hide, divert and whatever. Anything to avoid the question. My point is proven. You lie about stefano, create false characters to discredit him and the list goes on. My friend, you are an absolute fraud and liar. You have never even seen his computer and you know nothing about it, but you still say you have seen and tested it and claim it fails. Why is obvious. I wont even bother raising again the countless questions and points you ignored. You lost.
 
markhowy Posted: 28-Jan-06 06:37
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DZ

Why would I need to invent characters to discredit him?

He posts as genuinewinner and mentions Steve Billano himself, so he obviously knows him!

We can show proof of payment if you like from Steven Balino.

Also DZ, STOP BEEN A PRATT, everyone can see you have PROVIDED NOTHING THAT SHOWS YOU WENT TO SEE STEFANO!

Show us a cheap video that you have his device and the paperwork for the roulette wheel hire, you can't.

All Stefano has done is sent you a pic of his computer phone, you have added that to a pic of your drivers license and a fake airplane ticket LOL

What do you take us all for DZ.?

I suggest you show the evidence, of you are just another HOT AIR ADventure DZ.

LOL

GRIN:-)

Mark ..

 
Bago Posted: 28-Jan-06 07:27
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Mark you pratt

Read the topic, are you blind? The guy you are stating has not stefano's computer but his system. The archives you are checking are about his 2000$ system, NOT his computer.
So you are, once again, OUT OF THE QUESTION!
Now we can understand why you CANNOT answer the question DZ keeps asking you.
Not hard to show evidence of your lies.


Bago

[Edited by Bago on 28-Jan-06 08:28]
 
moneytoburn Posted: 28-Jan-06 07:35
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Bago

You seem to be throwing the insults full pelt now, seems that you are getting frustrated that you are loseing the argument. One question I do have though is that if Stefano is selling a paper system that has been proven not to work, for $2000 then why would his computer system sold for $5000+ be any better, It doesn't make a lot of sense to me.


 
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Moneytoburn/Mark

YOU are losing the arguments since all your claims are HOT AIR because you state having tested Stefano's computer But this is an outright lie since you cannot answer a simple question about it which would prove you have it. That's not the case. So all your argumentation have no Weight.

Concerning Stefano's 2000$ system, you know nothing about it, appart his primordial system, which works, under the right circumstances. At least it can works on level wheels, contrary to your rubbish computer for sell at 15,50$ on Ebay website.
You know nothing about his custom variants which detect 9 patterns and could qualify wheels you can't with the primordials.

If his system didn't work, why angry customers have not post on this board or another to claim it doesn't work?
Well, you will say that some people stated this, but it was you discrediting your superior competitor...
We can ask Fishman if you have created a lot of identities on this board, the answer will be positive.


Bago
 
moneytoburn Posted: 28-Jan-06 07:47
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Also the first thing that you see when you turn stefanos computer on is the nokia welcome screen.

I am not Mark by the way Bago.

[Edited by moneytoburn on 28-Jan-06 08:48]
 
Bago Posted: 28-Jan-06 08:02
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LOL

I'm sure DoubleZero will laugh so hard reading this failing answer!
Mark you are not really clever. DZ showed a pic of Stefano's computer and as it is a Nokia, you deduce that! What a genius!
Unfortunately for you, that's not the right answer.
Try again!


Bago
 
moneytoburn Posted: 28-Jan-06 08:25
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It was just a guess bago, I am sure that the nokia welcom screen does come up though.
I am a little tired of getting accused of been Mark, can't anyone disagree with you whthout getting that as a reply?
 
moneytoburn Posted: 28-Jan-06 08:27
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How about stefano's company logo when you enter the program? Is that a little closer?
 
markhowy Posted: 28-Jan-06 08:52
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bago

i SAID bALINO PURCHASED HIS ROULETTE PREDICTION SYSTEM, i DID NOT SAY WHICH, YOU SEEM TO KNOW AN AWEFUL LOT OF STEFANOS CUSTOMENRS INFORMATION BAGO!

Since it does not work, and nearly everyone on this site has it, what makes you tihnk Stefano has a roulette computer that works?

LOL

Mark ..

PS who really cares about Stefanos products, not me for one, they is no competition, I have proved that in the thread above!

He still has to take an old phone in with him into the casinos LOL
 
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I don't know a lot about Stefano's customers, only what i read. You are discrediting Stefano's computer by saying the guy was not winning with his paper system. This is out of the question, since, firstly you don't have his computer But claim it doesn't work. Secondly, his system is not just the primordial variant as you can see in his website, his customers ultimately pay for custom variants which qualify far more wheels (according to his website) and his section: www.genuinewinner.com/custom.html

Finally, you have just proved that your pen makes 6 without wires, but NOT that it connects to your Roulette Software NOR (and most importantly) it can be operated by a far distance. You only demonstrated it fronting your blackbox input on your Psion.
What happen if you click your pen outside the room?

I can switch on/off my Television, changing programs front to my TV, without wires, but not outside my house.


Bago
 
creekguy Posted: 28-Jan-06 09:21
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Still not sure if I've learned anything from all of this quandry of negative dialogue. But... it has been interesting to say the least! DZ, are you able to use your system as often as you like or are you handicapped by location? Mark, what, if any legal issues do you require of your purchasers? Normally in sales, the salesperson goes to the client and presents his product/service... why do we have to go to you? I understand that you would have to rent a wheel etc, but that is all part of it. You could set up a date that you are going to be in the U.S. (or wherever the demand is) and have all interested parties make appointments and be shown the system then. Don't come unless you have enough prospects to make it worth while etc. Just a thought. Thanks
 
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Bago

You must of forgot to reply to me. LOL

Is DZ still laughing?
 
Bago Posted: 28-Jan-06 09:28
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Creekguy,

Mark cannot demonstrate his computer working in the real World, that is to say, on modern level wheels. I offered him more than one time to come in France, i would have paid him the fly ticket, accomodations, everything, and purchased his computer for 5000£. But he declined, stating i had to come at his home for the demonstration. Wonder why? Well this is because his computer works only on tilted wheels, and all of them are tilted at his home. It has been confirmed by 3 gamblers and a french guy who visited him.

Regards.
 
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moneytoburn,

You are wrong again.


Bago
 
moneytoburn Posted: 28-Jan-06 09:33
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Ok Bago
 
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Bago

You are been silly again, the three gamblers you talk of actually confirmed it worked, although it was not over enough spins to prove conclusively either way within the realms of Standard Deviation.

You would never finish up on a loss, only on a win, so the last win I had was at 80 spins, up until this point, I had 5 direct hits, thats 1 in 16 on the exact number in 80 spins.

I carried on playing for another 46 spins and did not hit an exact number when they decided to go and get something to eat.

Within a block of three numbers around my predcition, I hit 15 numbers.

Thats a 50% edge on a sector of three.

On a block of five numbers, I hit 24 hits.

Thats around 50% also!

Well in favour!

I suggest you check yourt homework on this site and show the truth instead of lying.

Its in the achives!

The french guy that came to see me saw the program perform well on a LEVEL wheel, not a tilted one, you seem to have a problem telling the truth Bago.

LOL

Mark ..

[Edited by markhowy on 28-Jan-06 17:01]
 
DoubleZero Posted: 28-Jan-06 17:40
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Like Bago said, "read the topic, are you blind?". I showed you exactly the evidence we agreed upon, and more, and now you ask for more because you have lost and cant answer the question you said you would. How did we move from talk about stefanos computer to his system? Oh thats right, Mark is doing his trademark diversion like an incompetent trapped coward, more like a real pussy. Mark, you are making a fool of yourself. You have lost. You are trapped and doing anything to try and change topics. STICK TO THE TOPIC MARK. STOP DIVERTING LIKE A PUSSY.

Moneytoburn (so obviously mark himself), you are talking wild guesses and asking if you were a little closer in your answer to the question. lol you are pathetic. What you think you can keep guessing, then when you eventually get it right you'll say to everyone, "LOOK! See! I really have seen and tested stefanos computer. I answered correctly!". LOL Mark you are a total PRATT! Answer the question NOW, not a few years down the track when you actually know the answer, and not when you've made so many guesses that probability will ensure a correct answer.... eventually.

Creekguy, I'm not limited by location. But your question raises a legal issue you probably arent aware of. Stefano outlines very specific legal terms and conditions. I had to sign multiple agreements and declarations. Mark wouldnt have the first clue about legalities. He is not a businessman. He wouldnt even be able to afford a lawyer. He is some fool who wrote his own little simplistic program and called it an effective computer. So simplistic it isnt even digitally signed or copy protected. It would take an experienced programmer a day to create such a program. If you want to test it for yourself, buy a cheap psion 3a and ask anyone for the software. then you will have definitely learnt something from all this. You can easily confirm yourself that there is no special copy protection that makes the software deliberately ineffective. That is just marks excuse because we all know it fails. If you want to know the absolute truth, do this for yourself as many of us have. You will find it works on tilted wheels, but cant cope with level wheels. You can do a variety of tests to confirm you have the full version. Besides, even original purchasers say the same things.

Mark, you know nothing about stefanos computer and obviously nothing about his system either. To anyone that knows, your lies are so obvious. Let me tell you what I know about his system to prove you are lying just to harm a competitor again. The primordial variant is based on dealer signature and is used when you are travelling and cant easily send stefano spins for development of custom variants. His site quite clearly explains this. It is like an emergency system, not a custom variant. The primordial variant is all you have but you never purchased from stefano. It works under the right circumstances like Bago says, but the conditions are hard to find like stefano says himself. It works on valid principles. Anyone that says it doesnt work is lying or plain stupid because like visual ballistics, its not a question of it working, but of finding the right conditions. There are many people here that have it and they would tell you the same thing. Are you that stupid? We all know better. Even you once said the primordial variant alone would work mark, but you changed your mind later to harm stefano. But as Bago pointed out, stefanos system is a wheel analysis method called custom variants. Ask stefano and he'll confirm none of his professional players even use the primordial variants. You send spins to him at www.genuinewinner.com/custom.htm. There are 9 types of patterns in his wheel analysis custom variants and they include everything to dealer bias, wheel bias, partly visual ballistics, partly rotor timing, something to do with fractals, line geometry, pythagoras, trig, and a few other things, although he never releases the full secrets for good reason. It is like a collection of valid principles that are known to beat roulette, and a whole lot of new things he discovered from his energy research. You so readily say both stefanos computer and system fail, but you dont even have either of them. All you have is his primordial variant system and you go around making unfounded claims without data to back it up. You cant give backup data because your data could easily be proven inaccurate and that stefanos primordial system alone does indeed work under the right circumstances. But have you ever had stefano do a wheel analysis custom variant for you? I didnt think so. So again mark, your claims are shot down in flames.

You invent characters to lie about stefano because he is your competitor. That is just pathetic. Look at the thread http://www.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&act
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on=opentopic&topic=111&forum=Gambling_Tools even Docker thought it was rather obvious this post was from you pretending to be one of stefanos customers. This post was originally from your own forum. Now that one's sure not rocket science.

Mark those 3 characters that visited you clearly said your wheel was biased on zero, and that the wheel was 50 YEARS OLD. A dead goldfish could do a few clicks and win on a BIASED 50 YEAR OLD WHEEL. Bago has done his homework as have I. But you just LIE! Anyone can test your software for free and confirm for themselves you are full of shit. Your computer is ineffective on level wheels. But of course it works on ANCIENT BIASED OR TILTED WHEELS. Who needs a computer on such wheels anyway? Stefanos primordial system alone is about as effective as your computer on these wheels.

I think you are just jealous of stefano. You are doing everything humanly possible to harm him. Your true colors have been shown here. You still cant answer the question "whats the first thing you see when you load stefanos computer?". You cant handle his success where you failed. That last sentence is very accurate, isnt it? If you spent this much time improving your own credibility instead of trying to destroy stefanos credibility, you would both improve your own credibility while reducing stefanos credibility. You are too stupid, jealous and spiteful to realize this though!! Why do you hate him so much? He never lied about you. He only said what many other have also said, which is that your computer fails on level wheels. The only difference between him and others is that he is your competitor. Not rocket science, is it?

So again Mark, you claim to have seen and tested stefanos computer, so tell us all, whats the first thing you see when you load his computer? Still no answer? Of course not. What a bumbling PRATT you are. To divert attention from the question that proves you are lying and have never even seen stefanos computer, you try and divert topics to stefanos system. But even with just his primordial system, your lies are AGAIN shot down in flames. You have a lot of learning to do mark. The more you divert, the more you destroy your own credibility. You are really getting desperate here. Stick to the topic mark.



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DoubleZero Posted: 28-Jan-06 17:59
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Remember this mark, because it's very true:

"If you spent this much time improving your own credibility instead of trying to destroy stefanos credibility, you would both improve your own credibility while reducing stefanos credibility..... IF YOUR COMPUTER WAS WHAT YOU CLAIM. But your computer is NOT what you claim, so instead what you do is anything possible to lie about stefano and harm his credibility."

Not rocket science, is it?

PS, Dont change the topic. Answer the question.
 
markhowy Posted: 28-Jan-06 18:57
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DZ

Maybe you should post that to Stefano!

I find out the guy has been done for FRAUD!

No Discrediting him, JUST THE PURE TRUTH!

I decide I do not want to do business with him!

Just the Truth.

Stefano Lied about himself making improvements to my product, making claims that are extortionate, I ask him to remove the claims, he did not and decides to leave them posted on his site. These claims he made were fraudulent and totally impossible!

I decide to post on a message board that this guy should be avoided to other potential customers of his, because of his lies and form, before he met me, there is no evidence whatsoever he ever had a roulette computer device.

The guy then sends me a threatening email, stating I have so many days to remove what I have written.

Hes the one that did the crime, hes the one that started lying and discrediting people.

Now DZ, you have said something intelligent here, you are correct about the discrediting, but I have the evidence that Stefano has been done for fraud. I also have evidence that he lied and repeatedly still lies about my products and myself. He cannot leave it alone, he thinks that been on the other side of the world, makes him invincible.

Your problem is DZ, what Stefano has done, is that he lied blantantly about my products, set up a site to discredit me because HE wants to knock out competition.

I have not lied about Stefano once, he discredited himself, the day he commited fraud, he discredited himself when thought he felt the need to lie about competitors. What will transpire from this, will be wholey justified and the sh*t is about to hgit the fan for Stefano!

Stefano is driven by money and greed, he has just started out to make a living of some sort selling roulette computers, like I said, no evidence of him doing so previously, until he managed to get my program.

Even Stefanos name is a lie!.

You still need to prove to me you have Stefanos computer, and the hiring of the wheel, WHY CAN't YOU DO THIS DZ?

I wonder LOL

YOu are deluding yourself only on this board, no one else believes you have Stefanos computer form just a photograph.Stefnao has just sent you the photo LOL

What a jerk you are DZ,who you trying to convince, yourself?

GRIN:-)

Mark ..

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DoubleZero Posted: 28-Jan-06 21:28
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Mark, again you avoid the question and try and divert! Again! You cant answer it, can you?? Even if you tried, you know how easily Bago would set you straight and how easily I would prove you are wrong. That's why you wouldnt dare even trying! You are utterly pathetic my friend. Pathetic.

Stefano has your computer. Many have it and all of them I know say exactly what stefano said. Your computer fails on level wheels. You dont have his computer but say you've tested it and it fails. You have never even seen his which is now very clear because you cant answer the question. Again, dopey, do you want me to quote you? You said you'd answer the question if I provided a scan of my license and plane ticket. You didnt expect me to provide the two scans, did you?? I provided them and even gave extra proof. I fulfilled my end of the bargain and even more. Now you give excuse after excuse and try to divert and change the topic. You are a lying, deceptive, cowardly and incompetent fool.

First of all Mark, it was a very very simple question that anyone who has seen stefanos computer could answer in half a second, so it should not have been a big issue. Even Bago answered it so simply without any excuses and diversion. You cant! Answering it is a big issue for you, and you set unreasonable terms before you said you'd give the simple answer because you simply didnt know the answer and were lying. Again you didnt expect I would actually provide proof, did you?? But now I've provided the proof and more, as agreed, and you still make excuses to avoid the question. YOU ARE PATHETIC! Nothing here matters but the question. But you cant answer it, you are like grasshopper on a frying pan jumping around to elude the question, posting all kinds of diversionary crap! You have screwed and exposed yourself for lying about stefano.

You say you post pure truth, lol what a load of shit! You have evidence he has been done for fraud? You say stefano hides his real name. Ok, here we go... Stefano doesnt hide the fact he has a record and even details it at www.genuinewinner.com/rentech.htm. He has never changed his name. You admit Mark Anthony Howe is not your real name but wont give your real name. You trade under a fake name of "mark howe technologies" which isnt even registered (illegal). Stefano trades under his real company name "Site Promotions PTY LTD". And I know for a fact stefano does not own RSR but he has contributed to its content. LOL Bollocks you have not lied about stefano once. Thats what this is all about here Mark. You lie about competitors. You lie about him. You say you have tested stefanos computer but it fails, although you cant answer the simplest question about it. Nahhh, you dont lie about stefano.

Time after time you post absolute crap and it is so damn easy to prove what a bullshit artist you are! Time after time you avoid the question. You dug your own grave. When you are trapped, you backtrack and cut and paste old information and bring up issues and questions that have already been addressed, like you are not even discussing, you are just spamming crap.

Well Mark, if I didnt have stefanos computer, why would I send a photo of it? Why would I be asking you to answer the very very simple question that only someone that has seen his computer would know? I sure know the answer! Now I could very easily post photos if his computer next to my drivers license, but how would that help you answer the question? It wouldnt. Know why? Because you would only move the goalposts, divert, and find some other excuse to avoid the question.

Remember mark, this discussion is about you not even seen stefanos computer but claiming you've tested it and fails. It is about you lying about competitors. It is about your lies and dishonesty. Dont change the topic. Nothing else here is relevant. Answer the very very simple question. I'll bet anything you will not do so correctly in your next post. I'll bet anything you will just post more crap. Please prove me wrong.
 
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DZ

I will answer your question perfectly, after you have showed real EVIDENCE that you have Stefanos computer, I will actually provide you with footage of it been used in my home by one of Stefanos custmers on my wheels and never post at this site again:-)

All I ask, is that you FIRST honour evidence that you live in WASHINGTON and can show the computer working with a famous landmark in the background on video footage, if you cannot DZ, you are the liar.

I will also give you £10,000 and one of my cars in with the deal, pretty good deal, don't you think?

Problem is, you can't do it DZ



Mark ..

 
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Oh Mark, if you dont know the answer (and you obviously dont), why not just ask one of them people you say contacted you to say stefanos computer fails?? Like that Canadian guy, or that guy that posted on your own forum? So many people contact you to say stefanos computer fails that surely one of them would know the answer. After all, like you said, you dont make up false identities and fake customers of stefanos to lie about stefano. Docker is right, you really dont sit and think about your lies before you make them. You are an incompetent, fumbling and thoroughly exposed fool.
 
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DZ

Some time ago, you offered to show evidence you have stefanos computer, in exchange that I show either show proof of my transmitter pens, or proof I have tried stefanos computer.

You typed in either, I showed you proof of the transmitter pens.

You STILL NOT HAVE shown me real evidence that you have his computer, only a pic that Stefano could have sent you, do you believe this is adaquate, I don't, and you know you have provided no evidence whatsoever.

Lets deal with one thing at a time, you stick to the agreement, show me your evidence with film footage in washington, I will show you Stefanos computer been used on one of my wheels.

I will answer your question perfectly, after you have showed real EVIDENCE that you have Stefanos computer, I will actually provide you with footage of it been used in my home by one of Stefanos custmers on my wheels and never post at this site again:-)

All I ask, is that you FIRST honour evidence that you live in WASHINGTON and can show the computer working with a famous landmark in the background on video footage, if you cannot DZ, you are the liar.

I will also give you £10,000 and one of my cars in with the deal, pretty good deal, don't you think, I reckon the shiping will not cost as much as one might think either. Carry on!

Problem is, you can't do it DZ



Mark

[Edited by markhowy on 28-Jan-06 23:10]
 
DoubleZero Posted: 28-Jan-06 22:24
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Mark why is it such a big deal to answer such a simple question lol?? Thats far from rocket science. You go to great lengths to create false identities and post lies about stefano, you spend sooo much time and effort on discrediting him, you write pages and pages and pages about him, make claims all over the place about his computer and systems............. but you cant even answer the absolute simplest question about his computer. If you really had it or even knew people that had it, you could answer it instantly! You are an absolute fraud and liar.

LMAO, you already said you would answer the question if I gave a scan of my driver license and of my plane ticket. SO I DID THAT AND MORE, but guess what??? Still no answer for me! You are just delaying and avoiding such a simple question because you cant answer it! Now you are completely utterly trapped and exposed. Liar liar pants on fire.

I dont want your crappy older model mitsubishi that the 3 people that visited you said you have. You wouldnt keep to your word anyway. You cant even keep your word with the simplest things! You dont deserve an extra inch my friend. I want an answer to the question you keep avoiding. I WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION YOU YOURSELF SAID YOU WOULD ANSWER IF I PROVIDED A SCAN OF MY LICENSE AND PLANE TICKET.

Actually, I've already made my point here so what I want is for you to keep making excuses and avoiding the question lol. Thankyou for failing so miserably to answer. Does anyone else here think my point has well and truly utterly completely thoroughly been made now lol? Mark does not have and has never even seen Stefanos computer, but he claims he has tested it and that it fails. Nobody has contacted mark claiming stefanos computer fails because if they did, then Mark could easily answer the question. So Mark lies about Stefano because he's competition.
 
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Dopey, I WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION YOU YOURSELF SAID YOU WOULD ANSWER IF I PROVIDED A SCAN OF MY LICENSE AND PLANE TICKET. I PROVIDED IT AND MORE..... BUT STILL I GET NO ANSWER.

I'm not interested in anything else. I'm not interested in some new bet when you can't even keep your word with a simple one. I'm not interested in any diversionary information you post. You said you would answer if I sent the scans which is a fact, so answer.

Are you going to keep to your word or not? You are really reaching here mark. Your failure to answer such a simple question is enough proof alone, but you are also making new bets before you even answer the question. You are also going against your word to avoid the question, because you cant answer it. Anything to avoid answering. Anything to hide the fact that you cant answer it. You have screwed yourself. Dont you think if you actually knew the answer, actually answering the question and keeping your word is important? Of course you do, but you just plain dont know the answer! You didnt expect me to actually send the scans, did you?? Thats why you said you'd answer the question if I sent the scans. You made a promise you couldnt keep and now you're screwed. Anyone that actually reads this post would think you're a total liar and fraud. Mark people are not stupid. Common sense is enough to see you are busting your ass to avoid the simple question for obvious reasons.

[Edited by DoubleZero on 29-Jan-06 00:02]
 
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DZ

This is my final post to you.

You seem to be having problems providing evidence you have Stefanos computer and that you are in washington,

I have offered you £10,000 plus I will never post here again.

All I want, is for you to SHOW real Evidence that you have his computer, and not just a pic Stefano showed you. I would like the footage with a famous landmark in the background. It only has to be a 30 seconds long, you do own a camcorder don't you?

I don't swallow the pic, you would not accept pics from me, you wanted footage, I supplied it, now I want footage from you, I think that is fair!

I will also show you Stefanos computer and the problems that it has in some footage and show why anyone with it will have problems using it in a real casino.

The reason you KEEP trying to change the subject is that you cannot supply the evidence, you do not live in Washington, neither have you got stefanos computer.

Its funny watching you squirm and trying to change the subject, whos the liar now DZ?

If you swapped the pic of Stefanos computer for a NASA space rocket, whould that be overall proof that you have a NASA rocket in Washington, NOPE! / PICS MEAN NOTHING, Video Footage is a little more convincing!

YOu would have to show a short clip, the rocket in your backgarde with Washinton landmarks in the background, now can YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE!

SHOW THE EVIDENCE OTHERWISE YOU ARE A LIAR!

EVERYONE CAN SEE CLEARLY YOU ARE NOW AVOIDING THE SUBJECT OF YOUR PHOTOGRAPHS , BECAUSE ITS APPARANT THAT IT IS JUST A PIC FROM STEFANO, NOTHING MORE!

YOU DON'T EVEN LIVE IN WASHINGTON DO YOU!

You are a fraud.



Mark ..
 
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Mark

Send me a DVD copy of your computer being applied on your "Level Wheel" before i travel to the UK. I want you to prove i won't waste time and money visiting you.
You have only proved your computer beat 50 years old tilted wheel, so now show the evidence it beats modern wheel. You can't, you are a fraud.
I can throw you 15$, the price of your computer on Ebay, but certainly not 150$ for a DVD.

Waiting for an honest answer.
By the way i hope i'll see the predictions on the screen, not voiceover.

Bago
 
markhowy Posted: 29-Jan-06 08:33
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BAGO

#I will give you £10,000 if my computer does not work on level wheels!

You can post your results here, I cant be fairer than that!

I am not going to give you freebies over the net, thats for sure, especially when you have been so impolite.

Mark ..
 
creekguy Posted: 29-Jan-06 08:44
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DZ, can you email me? Thanks
 
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Mark, you're not too bright so let me make this REALLY SIMPLE for you:

Firstly, you said if I could provide a scan of my license and plane ticket that you would correctly answer the question this is all about. The question is "whats the first thing you see when you load stefanos computer?".

Soooooo, I posted scans of my drivers license, and my plane ticket for when I visited stefano, oh and a photo of stefanos computer that wasnt even needed, but I posted it anyway.

BUT YOU HAVE NOT YET ANSWERED THE QUESTION YOU SAID YOU WOULD. I wonder why. I'M NOT THE ONE WHO HAS TO PROVIDE ANYTHING. I WILL NOT GIVE YOU AN INCH. I DONT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. I PROVIDED EXACTLY WHAT I SAID I WOULD, AND MORE. I'M NOT THE ONE RUNNING AND HIDING BECAUSE HE'S EXPOSED FOR LYING ABOUT STEFANO AND CREATING FAKE FORUM POSTERS TO LIE ABOUT HIM.

Now isnt that so damn simple, dopey? All your tough and technical I'm such a smart boy talk counts for absolutely nothing and your true colors are revealed. You are nothing but a common liar and fraud. You have to lie about competitors to make a living. You've proven it now.

You are refusing to answer the question. You are doing everything possible to avoid the question. You are going against your word. It is plainly obvious you cant answer the question, and what this proves is............

You do not have stefanos computer, have never even seen stefanos computer, but you have been lying to everyone saying you have tested stefanos computer and it fails. You have even said stefanos purchasers have contacted you to complain about stefanos computer. If either of these claims were true, you could easily answer the question I keep asking. You could ask all those people that complain about stefano to you lol. YOU CANNOT ANSWER THE VERY VERY VERY SIMPLE QUESTION. Is that clear enough for you? Boy I could write lists upon lists of your lies and easily prove you are lying. It would be so damn easy because as Docker pointed out, you dont even think about your lies. You are an incompetent lying fool. But lets stick to whats important, right?

Mark, of course you will run and hide. Of course you'll try and divert. Of course you'll try and make new terms and new diversionary bets because you never actually expected me to provide the scans. Of course you have to protect your income, because you dont have any real wealth like you claim. You have just been exposed for lyng about stefano. Exposed for claiming his purchasers complain to you. Exposed for pretending to be stefanos purchasers under fake names. For being a plain dishonest fraud and liar. You have never even seen his computer and nobody has ever contacted you to complain about him like you say. If they did, you could easily answer the question, but you cant. Not rocket science is it?

LOL I knew you would fail to answer the question even after I provided thew scans. I knew you would make some excuse.

[Edited by DoubleZero on 29-Jan-06 14:07]
 
DoubleZero Posted: 29-Jan-06 13:15
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Bago the only DVDs you will get from him have footage where the computer's actual predictions are not even displayed on screen. The predictions are fake voiceovers added after the footage. I'm sure you know this already.

Well I guess this thread is concluding. Basically Mark said if I provided the scans that he'd answer the simple question. But now that I provided the scans, and more, he's making excuses for not answering the question. Thats because he plain doesnt know the answer! Simple! Mark I knew no matter what I provided that you would just make an excuse. No matter what lol. I could provide footage of stefanos computer in the whitehouse and he'd still do what he can to avoid answering. He'd next ask me to demonstrate the computer on a wheel for an hour in front of George Bush. I'm not giving you an inch although the footage in front of a washington landmark would be easy to do but thats not the point. I never had to provide anything but 2 scans. Mark my friend, me providing proof I had stefanos computer was not even required. You said I just had to provide the scans and I did. But I sent a photo of the computer anyway. I could give footage but SHOW ME WHERE WE AGREED I HAD TO SHOW YOU I HAD STEFANOS COMPUTER FOR YOU TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. You cant, right? I ONLY HAD TO PROVIDE THE 2 SCANS FOR YOU TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, NOTHING MORE, AND STILL I GET NO ANSWER. Nock rocket science is it? It's so darn simple. Do you want me to quote you again, dopey?? Do you think people are that stupid and cant read? You will do anything to avoid answering because you cant. LOL it was a simple question anyway, and still he couldnt answer it. If you could actually answer it, you would have done so by now especially since you said you would after I provided the 2 scans. Whats even funnier is you cant answer the question but say you'll show video footage of stefanos computer being applied. My god you have serious problems mark! You lose mark. You are incompetent fool that has to lie about competitors to compete. Checkmate.

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