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Topic: Mark has been banned from this forum |
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fishman |
Posted: 01-Mar-06 12:48 |
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Hi Guys,
Mark has been banned from this forum for serious violations of terms of use. To make sure that there are no further violations, I am also banning the discussion of his computer. Any new posts related to Mark's computer will be removed. |
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Kelly |
Posted: 01-Mar-06 12:53 |
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It will be very silent here in the future... |
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Bago |
Posted: 01-Mar-06 13:20 |
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More silent surely, but certainly more interesting. He were a waste of time, literally. We need serious discussions with normal people. That's the best way to share and enjoy for what we are all here.
Regards. |
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RouletteGuru |
Posted: 01-Mar-06 17:33 |
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Hello Mark,
Roulette Computer is banned for discussion and it is winning one
Even chance is still opened for discussion and it is losinng one.
Mark, don't be desperate. We have one topic that still can be discuss
ed: "even chance"
Hi Folks
For any given number of spins. there is equally a given sequence that
will wipe out your wins. This means, if there was no Zeros on the whe
els, you would not win anything, neither would you gain anything. Unfo
rtunately the Zeros do exist and so does the casinos edge!
Progressions do not gain anything over Flatbets, not at all, in fact
with Zero been present, you are bound to lose your money even faster t
han with Flat Bets! This applies to all progressions, including the Ma
rtingale, which I will demonstrate an example.
Read the following carefully before you defend your system to the hil
t!
I will start with the basic number of bets, lets say just two!
There is 4 possible outcomes of equal chance!
So lets pick a colour, use a martingale through this, lets pick red!
in each sequence, we stop as soon as we hit a win in a sequence of two
!
At the same time, lets place just flatbets on red!
The four possible outcomes are as follows>
RED RED
BLACK RED
RED BLACK
BLACK BLACK
With Flatbetting you obviously just win 4 REDS, AND LOSE 4 BLACKS
Overall level!
With the progression we have>
RED RED WON 1 units on our first bet!
BLACK RED lost first, but win second bet! Won 1 unit!
RED BLACK Won first bet. Won 1 Unit!
BLACK BLACK Lost first and second Bet, 1+2=3. Lost three units!
Overall Won three, lost three!
I did say that this reasoning will go on with any progression used, o
ver ever how many spins you like, even 1 million!
You can try any method you like over ever how many spins you like, it
will also balance up, the exact same as a Flatbet!
Flatbettor is absolutely correct in his claim, if it does not work fl
at betting, it cannot work with a progression, in fact, what I am abou
t to tell you proves conclusively that no progression can ever work an
d be more profitable than flatbetting!
Lets try the next run of bets, three bets in a row>
Heres every combination that appears with equal chance!
RED RED RED
BLACK RED RED
RED BLACK RED
BLACK BLACK RED
RED RED BLACK
BLACK RED BLACK
RED BLACK BLACK
BLACK BLACK BLACK
So from above, you can obviously see the same number of Reds and Blac
ks, so level Flatbetting!
Now using the Martingale>
RRR won 1 unit.
BRR won 1 unit.
RBR won 1 unit.
BBR lost three(1+2), won three(3), so ZERO
RRB win 1 unit.
BRB win 1 unit.
RBB win 1 unit.
BBB lose 6 units(1+2+3)
So even with this progression, nothing won, exactly the same as the F
lat BET!
To write down the sequence of all combinations, all you need to do is
the following, write the above table again, the table on top end in a
ll REDS, the table below end in all BLACKS.
SO for a run of 4 we have 16 posibilities>
RRRR
BRRR
RBRR
BBRR
RRBR
BRBR
RBBR
BBBR
RRRB
BRRB
RBRB
BBRB
RRBB
BRBB
RBBB
BBBB
For five we have the following combinations 32>
Try any progression you like and see if it works, compare it to Flat
bets!
RRRRR
BRRRR
RBRRR
BBRRR
RRBRR
BRBRR
RBBRR
BBBRR
RRRBR
BRRBR
RBRBR
BBRBR
RRBBR
BRBBR
RBBBR
BBBBR
RRRRB
BRRRB
RBRRB
BBRRB
RRBRB
BRBRB
RBBRB
BBBRB
RRRBB
BRRBB
RBRBB
BBRBB
RRBBB
BRBBB
RBBBB
BBBBB
Note: If anyone does not think this is what happens in the real world
, take a million spins, or as many as you wish, divide into a number o
f blocks, say five, so each block contains five bets. Then checking th
e above list of five, see how many of the patterns come out, I will gu
rantee you that each event will come out around 1 in 32 approximately!
You can try this for other blocks too!
Now for a run of six bets> All the combinations total 64>
RRRRRR
BRRRRR
RBRRRR
BBRRRR
RRBRRR
BRBRRR
RBBRRR
BBBRRR
RRRBRR
BRRBRR
RBRBRR
BBRBRR
RRBBRR
BRBBRR
RBBBRR
BBBBRR
RRRRBR
BRRRBR
RBRRBR
BBRRBR
RRBRBR
BRBRBR
RBBRBR
BBBRBR
RRRBBR
BRRBBR
RBRBBR
BBRBBR
RRBBBR
BRBBBR
RBBBBR
BBBBBR
RRRRRB
BRRRRB
RBRRRB
BBRRRB
RRBRRB
BRBRRB
RBBRRB
BBBRRB
RRRBRB
BRRBRB
RBRBRB
BBRBRB
RRBBRB
BRBBRB
RBBBRB
BBBBRB
RRRRBB
BRRRBB
RBRRBB
BBRRBB
RRBRBB
BRBRBB
RBBRBB
BBBRBB
RRRBBB
BRRBBB
RBRBBB
BBRBBB
RRBBBB
BRBBBB
RBBBBB
BBBBBB
Again try any progression you like, D'alembert, Martingale, none of t
hem will work, only draw level! Even try your own Progressions, then m
aybe we can all move on and start looking and more complex ways of pre
diction, and only have to bet Flat beting stakes!
We could go on and on, but this is mathematical proof that no progres
sion can win! This is the gamblers Fallacy that a Progression can over
turn the odds, in fact, demonstrated here, you have absolute proof th
at this is not the case at all, the Progression in fact is simply wort
hless! Itis the same as level staking!
In fact, with the Zero in place, the progression now becomes a worse
adversary, for you now have the chance of lose more by been in a progr
ession, than simply Flat Bets. This is because you are simply placing
more money on the numbers. Yet shown above, you cannot gain anything.
As Again, anyone can show me a progression that can work in every com
bination that can appear, I will give you £10,000! This can be over an
y amount of spins you wish and adhere to strict progressive rules!
To add insult to injury to any would be progressionist, or what we te
rm as the short term wins, I would be most curious to know of any meth
od that says stop betting now , or start betting, is this a gut instin
ct?
To this day, no one has answered my questions regards this statement?
So even with the Stop /Start signals, put the signals in place, tell
me what the signals are, you will still draw level with your systems!
Please do not answer with, if I have won, I then leave the casino, or
when its bad, I do not play, how can this predict the future events?
Show me the exact reason of your your decision, if you cannot, you ar
e talking waffle!
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HERES THE LAW FOR ANY PROGRESSION::
Your bankroll needed in order to use your progression.
The chances of ruin of your progression.
The chances of success of your progression.
CONCLUSION>#
YOu will always lose the exact same as you have won over any given pe
riod of play or number of coups. If the true odds are given of course!
If not given the true odds, you will lose more the longer you play fo
r to the house edge!
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Will be waiting with Replys eagarly to crush your dreams!;-)
What we do in life, echos in eternity <The Gladiator>
I have seen a run of 36 Reds, it may have being 37 actually, I came o
nto the table after the first Red I believe.
Anyway, lets apply a simple Martingale to this!
Lets now deal with the chance of you hitting a run that could wipe ou
t on any run you want>
The longer you played the Martingale, the bigger the chance that you
would hit a run that would wipe out your progression! For even the Mar
tingale can only be played in the real world against the bank you wish
to put up?
So now lets look at my 36 runs on RED>
Everyone is saying, but this never happen, some intelligent people wo
uld be saying( the ones that can do the mathematics ) but this would o
nly happen 1 in 128,000,000,000!
THEY ARE CORRECT!
A run of 36, would happen once every 128,000,000,000!
This is the probability of this event happening!
So, even having the 128,000,000,000 to play with, winning another 64,
000,000,000 doubling up on the martingale, one chance in all this time
would wipe out your winnings, it would happen, by the way! THIS is a
certainty!
So after playing for 320,000,000 days( you would be quite old), this
event could and would have an excellent probability of occuring!
So you would be wiped out !
The problem is, that no one has an infinate bank(Its imaginary), so y
ou must name your bank first of all. But still, no matter how much ban
k you have, you will lose the exact same as you win!
So anyone can name a bank, from 16 units to 1,000,000,000,000,000,000
I will then show you that the martingale is flawed!
I will show with a bank of 1 million>
Kiljoy has done the system with a million spins. I ask all of you, if
you have the data(1 million spins) to check the longest run in each m
illion spins) .Any of you have Excel, you should be able to check that
your data matches with scientific proof below. This is the chance of
each run of 1,2,3,4,5 and so on, in a million spins!
500,000 runs of 1 Both colours
250,000 runs of 2
125,000 runs of 3
64,500 runs of 4
32,250 runs of 5
16,125 runs of 6
8,064 runs of 7
4,032 runs of 8
2,016 runs of 9
1,008 runs of 10
504 runs of 11
252 runs of 12
126 runs of 13
63 runs of 14
32 runs of 15
16 runs of 16
8 runs of 17
4 runs of 18
2 runs of 19
1 run of 20
This will be a fact of probability,although approximate, this is what
you will see if you take a million spins.
So you play this million numbers>
So using your system, you will hit 499,999 and win. But the chance of
hitting this run of 20 will be there! although it is halfed, because
of the two colours!
But the run there will be 2 runs of 19!
So you will in the million spins, hit this once at least, still the c
hance of the 20 run is there also!
So again you win 499,999 you win one unit!
But in this, you will most definately hit a run of 19!
This will lose you £500,000
The system balances up!
You would also have to play for nearly 14 years to make £1,000,000
8 hours a day, £200 units a night!
In this time, a run of 20 would almost certainly appear, check your o
wn 1 million spins!
So you play for 14 years and have nothing!
One million spins is alot to check that my mathematics is correct, so
lets try just 128 spins
64 will be runs of 1 (both colours)
32 will be runs of 2
16 will be runs of 3
8 will be runs of 4
4 will be runs of 5
2 will be runs of 6
1 will be a run of 8
So check a run of 128 spins, check a few, you will see that your figu
res match these above approximately, this is mathematics!
Lets say we have a bank of just 128 units.
We play over this period, we will win on average, 63 of the bets!
But we have a chance of hitting the run of 6, this will lose us 64 un
its!
You also still have 0.5% a chance of 0.75% of hitting the run of 8!
NAME YOUR Bank, EVEN PLAYING WITH A MILLION AS YOUR BANK, YOU STILL H
AVE A CHANCE OF HITTING A RUN OF 20! iTS THERE ,SO BE WARNED!
The sad thing is, no matter what bank you use and what limits you set
, you will will win exactly the same amount as you lose, if you are pa
id the proper odds and the Zero does not exist!
So whether its 64 units as your bank, to cover runs of a 5 streak, it
does not matter, you will lose exactly the same as you win!
If it is going to take 14 years just to make a million, if it was pos
sible and you did not have the unfortunate chance of having your bank
wiped out, would it not be easier to place say a million in the bank a
nd earn interest over 14 years instead of spending 4-5 hours a day in
the casino for 14 years.
A little bit of common sense tells you it would be much wiser than pl
aying this in the casino!
Basic Highschool mathematics and common sense!
Try it at home!
Regards
mark@predictroulette.com
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Spino |
Posted: 01-Mar-06 17:44 |
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Lots of words - no contents...
>500,000 runs of 1 Both colours
>250,000 runs of 2
>125,000 runs of 3
>64,500 runs of 4
This is way out wrong and has been posted by Mark lots of times...
Spino
[Edited by fishman on 01-Mar-06 18:55] |
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creekguy |
Posted: 01-Mar-06 19:53 |
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Good job Fishman! By the way, nobody plays a million spins, look at the short term. That's the only way to come out ahead or this will indeed be the outcome. |
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XX_code |
Posted: 02-Mar-06 03:20 |
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less and less will post on GG. why? the quality of the posts is awful. why? more and more move to VIP. why? the same awful on LTW. why? which forums new and attractive?
X Code |
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DoubleZero |
Posted: 02-Mar-06 06:14 |
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Well this was certainly a justified move fishman. I just dont know why you didnt do it sooner. I couldn't believe some of his lies and his level of maturity is astonishing. Now the quality of GG's posts will improve because we wont have some guy constanty spamming crap. Well done fishman.
GRIN
[Edited by fishman on 02-Mar-06 11:50] |
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docker |
Posted: 02-Mar-06 06:51 |
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Well they say the higher your IQ the closer you are to madness.
Mark is a classic example.
Just hope he now finds something better to do with his spare time, like winning at the casino! |
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shadow |
Posted: 11-Mar-06 16:43 |
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Fishman this is not an attempt to argue for or against Mark's computer, but in my opinion unless Mark is able to defend himself on this board, others should not be allowed to make negative remarks about him. |
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Donali |
Posted: 11-Mar-06 20:40 |
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People who commit felonys are not allowed to vote (in the USA). They had the right, but they lost that right due to commiting a felony.
Mark is no different, he broke the rules after he was warned (MANY TIMES) of the consequences if he continued, which HE made the choice to do.
Should we all be made to quit voting because some people chose to break the law and lost their right?
In all forms of the media people are criticized all the time who cant always defend themselves either. Does that ever stop the media? Here in America we have this thing called free speech. Which by the way, if you violate those terms there are consequences also, such as if you slander someone.
And if you are really feeling sorry for Mark, you can be ASSURED he is still here and still posting in some form or fashion. |
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shadow |
Posted: 13-Mar-06 07:54 |
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@Donali
I never said I felt sorry for Mark. If Mark has broke the rules repeatedly then I have no problem about him being banned from posting on this message board. However, in my opinion anyone who exploits that situation to make disparaging remarks about Mark knowing Mark is unable to defend himself, is a coward. Since there are many cowards in this world I believe the moderator should not allow such remarks. (Just my opinion) |
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Tommy |
Posted: 19-Apr-10 15:02 |
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http://www.zyworld.com/Bago/Stefano_Hourmouzis_Scam.htm
Funny old world. DoubleZero who pretending that Steven Hourmouzis is a millionaire and claimed he visited Hourmouzis as a customer in Australia and he had offices with security guards is now proved to be a liar as Hourmouzis videos are all done in his living room as his past videos expose him. His house pics proves he's a liar and no millionaire and so is DoubleZero(Steven Hourmouzis himself) Looks Like HOWE was right all along about this guy Hourmouzis and DoubleZero being the same person
[Edited by Tommy on 19-Apr-10 15:03]
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