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Teorulte Posted: 22-Feb-07 16:13
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Stefano,

1. How do you respond to the claim that run multiple web sites, which would seemingly put you in a conflict of interest?

http://www.roulettesystemsexposed.com/gw-whois.htm

Why else would your Genuinewinner system get 4 stars out of 5, and your Roulette Computer get 4.5 stars out of 5?


2. How do you respond to the claims put forward by Mark Howe at

http://predictroulette.com/competitors.php

and the claims of David Steinberg at

http://www.roulettesystemsexposed.com/


3. Most important of the claims, that you have spent time in jail:

Evidence at

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/stories/s204117.htm

and

http://predictroulette.com/courtcase1.htm


How can anyone trust anything you have to say since you pleaded guilty to attempting to manipulate the stock market using bogus emails?!!

Even Izak has his limits!


4. How do you respond to the claim your roulette computer is nothing more than the NEWTON Roulette Computer?

In fact, one of your purchasers asked for their money back because they also have the Newton computer and realised it was this program just changed slightly. This purchaser also said that you had left the TIC TACK TOE game in your copied version as a dummy program should anyone get hold of it, just like in the Netwon Program.


And now you have Roulette Spins aka Bob Gordon defending you! This guy is just another scammer from Australia, who sold losing systems a few years back, including Phenomenon Roulette!

I look forward to your response Steven!
 
SPIKE Posted: 22-Feb-07 17:18
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>> Tomorrow a young Melbourne man is due to be sentenced after becoming one of the first people in the world to plead guilty to attempting to manipulate the stock market using bogus emails. 24-year-old Steven Hourmouzis was lured by the chance of what he thought would be quick anonymous profits on the Internet>>

Wow, I had no idea.
 
Stefano Posted: 22-Feb-07 20:23
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For those that care to research:

www.genuinewinner.com/markhowe.htm
www.genuinewinner.com/rentech.htm

My systems: Being lab tested. See www.genuinewinner.com/proof.htm and
www.genuinewinner.com/labtest.htm

My computers: Conference demo. See www.roulettecomputers.com/demo.htm

Sorry for the uneventful response. Amazing how far some competitors w
ill go to try and harm me. Feel free to post whatever you want Mark.

You should spend more time on your own credibility rather than trying
to destroy mine. I could go on and on obliterating your false claims
Mark, but you my friend, are a waste of time.

[Edited by Stefano on 22-Feb-07 21:31]
 
Teorulte Posted: 22-Feb-07 20:32
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LOL.

You know that is funny Steven! You accused me of being Mark when I got your original forum shut down on your website roulettesystemreviews when I questioned the ethics of running a roulette systems review site, and reviewing two of your OWN PRODUCTS!

Say what you want about Mark, but he has never been convicted!

You also accused me of being Forester, wrong again!

The truth is I am not that close with Forester, ask him yourself! But for the most part, I do agree with him about you and your roulette computer!

How about just answering the questions STEVEN:

1. How do you respond to the claim that run multiple web sites, which would seemingly put you in a conflict of interest?

http://www.roulettesystemsexposed.com/gw-whois.htm

Why else would your Genuinewinner system get 4 stars out of 5, and your Roulette Computer get 4.5 stars out of 5?


2. How do you respond to the claims put forward by Mark Howe at

http://predictroulette.com/competitors.php

and the claims of David Steinberg at

http://www.roulettesystemsexposed.com/


3. Most important of the claims, that you have spent time in jail:

Evidence at

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/stories/s204117.htm

and

http://predictroulette.com/courtcase1.htm


How can anyone trust anything you have to say since you pleaded guilty to attempting to manipulate the stock market using bogus emails?!!

Even Izak has his limits!


4. How do you respond to the claim your roulette computer is nothing more than the NEWTON Roulette Computer?

In fact, one of your purchasers asked for their money back because they also have the Newton computer and realised it was this program just changed slightly. This purchaser also said that you had left the TIC TACK TOE game in your copied version as a dummy program should anyone get hold of it, just like in the Netwon Program.

[Edited by Teorulte on 22-Feb-07 21:37]
 
forester Posted: 22-Feb-07 21:06
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Did you say tic tac toe? Lol

More and more people will see that I talked truth.
Stefano come in big trouble because of Bag¡¦s stupidity to challenge me.


Can you imagine after all detailed explanation they had guts to ask me to pay Bago even he never finalized bet and even I was correct. Which kind of people can do that?

How stupid is someone who believes that if he did not sell me computer that I can not test it.

Stefano thinks that I care for his new change on RSR review. After all confrontation he can wipe his a.. with that. Infect it would be good idea if he writes more..

Stefano can you add that you test my computer which is not visual system or timer and that it does not work at all, and put it next to Bob Gordon system review.

[Edited by forester on 22-Feb-07 22:07]
 
Teorulte Posted: 22-Feb-07 23:15
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Very interesting that the review of Forester's product (which was given a decent rating of 3 stars out of 5) has just recently been taken off of www.roulettesystemreviews.com

Just more proof that Stefano aka Steven runs the site along with:

-GenuineWinner.com
-RouletteForum.net
-RouletteComputers.com

You want the real truth about Steven, try:

http://www.stefanohourmouzis.com/

I would also like Steven to answer these questions. I will keep posting them until he answers them, just like He did (posting as Gambleslots) to Mark Howe!


1. How do you respond to the claim that run multiple web sites, which would seemingly put you in a conflict of interest?

http://www.roulettesystemsexposed.com/gw-whois.htm

Why else would your Genuinewinner system get 4 stars out of 5, and your Roulette Computer get 4.5 stars out of 5?


2. How do you respond to the claims put forward by Mark Howe at

http://predictroulette.com/competitors.php

and the claims of David Steinberg at

http://www.roulettesystemsexposed.com/


3. Most important of the claims, that you have spent time in jail:

Evidence at

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/stories/s204117.htm

and

http://predictroulette.com/courtcase1.htm


How can anyone trust anything you have to say since you pleaded guilty to attempting to manipulate the stock market using bogus emails?!!

Even Izak has his limits!


4. How do you respond to the claim your roulette computer is nothing more than the NEWTON Roulette Computer?

In fact, one of your purchasers asked for their money back because they also have the Newton computer and realised it was this program just changed slightly. This purchaser also said that you had left the TIC TACK TOE game in your copied version as a dummy program should anyone get hold of it, just like in the Netwon Program.



[Edited by Teorulte on 23-Feb-07 00:17]
 
Roulette Spins Posted: 23-Feb-07 00:02
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Teorulte
Do not link me in any way with Stephano.
I have no links with him, no interest in what he is doing, and could not care less about his and Miro Zirdums argument.

My only gripe was with Judas Miro who seems to be imploding this last couple of weeks.
His childish behaviour is getting a little boring now.
Can you believe the age of this dude?
 
Teorulte Posted: 23-Feb-07 00:18
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Remember this:


FAQ
Q. How does the Phenomenon beat the casino advantage?
A. Big question and several answers.
It is designed to miss any long losing runs, and it also has a very strict limiting factor that will take you away from play so that your winnings are safe.
The money management also assists with preventing the usual casino advantage eating back into your winnings.

And this:

“If Einstein was a Pit Boss, he wouldn’t have a clue how you are playing or why.”
(Bob Gordon)

And finally:

Phenomenon Roulette

If you have come here to see rockets, flames, volcanoes etc. you will be disappointed.
If you have come here to learn about a remarkable discovery that breaks the casino edge at Roulette, then read on…..

-----

As to why Forester would ever link to your site I have no idea. Personally I wouldn't have anything to do with you, even if you do not sell systems now (just spins) you did in the past and said Phenomenon Roulette beat the casino edge, but it was tested and it failed of course!

http://web.archive.org/web/20050208153646/www.geocities.com/phenomeno
nroulette/


[Edited by Teorulte on 23-Feb-07 01:22]
 
forester Posted: 23-Feb-07 00:36
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Are you talking about that good looking guy from Paris?
He may be about 35 years old.

By the way if someone wants 10 DVD’s of roulette spins on few different wheels and different conditions he can have it for $100US postage included. Show email of paypal payment to fishman and I will donate $40 from total to GG.


Roulette Spins,( Doker Bob Gordon, Tom Price) selling spins only on one kind of wheel for $150.
I do not know if he still trying to sell his rubbish system on few pages of paper for $1000.

Well I am sorry, I did not know about his mistakes from the past.
I only tried to help him to make some extra money.
That is probably why he follows me as a dog.

But as I can remember 2 years ago Doker was in alliance with Stefano against Mark Howe. I do not know who was sending me emails to discredit Mark, but I would say Stefano. He claims to be honest but he created all network of web pages to discredit the others.

Now I do not know what to think, first he edits review of my system, now he removed it completely. Probably he does not know what to do.
Maybe the best is to write, “this system is to smart for me”. He wouldn’t be much wrong”.


[Edited by fishman on 23-Feb-07 02:50]
 
Roulette Spins Posted: 23-Feb-07 02:00
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Brian,
I think it is time to ban this law breaking, phaedophile.

Miro Zirdum, you are constantly ignoring facts that are put your way yet you are still on this mad lying rampage, when you could be directing your energy into your failed research.

How about refunding all the suckers that have been walking around casinos giving themselves electric shocks and making fools of themselves, whilst at the same time losing their bankroll?

Your constant link of me being somebody else is also amusing considering he is a Judas just like you.

I think it is time to get back with your wife and then maybe get your head straight again.

As for Teorult, I dont see why I should waste more than 30 seconds on you, because every time I have put challenges to you in the past you have backed away every time.

Email me direct if you want a reply to anymore of your silly comments.
 
Kelly Posted: 23-Feb-07 02:15
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Question for roulette spins, there is no explanation of detecting the the 6th last revoloution in your system. How do you do that ?
 
forester Posted: 23-Feb-07 02:46
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Doker go away, and think what are you doing.

Your system sucks and there is nothing that your attempt to discredit me without single knowledge about my system can do to help you. You tried to blackmail me and as you can see it does not work. Instead focusing your energy on hate better thank me and focus on something good and talk truth.

I published my first E2 system on forum one year ago for everybody to comment.
Nobody ever made made single bad comment. Go and read discussion if you can understand. Really, when I was reading you material I could think only one thing, this guy does not know basics.

You talking rubbish all the time, making stories without single argument.

If you want my details and to know more about me talk with Barnett, he knows a lot he is casino consultant and he lives in your city.

To email you… why?

If you want I can indicate main bad points in your system, but first you need to pay money back. What do you think how did I get your system, it did not felt down from the sky someone paid for it. Do you understand that?
 
Teorulte Posted: 23-Feb-07 13:05
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As for Teorult, I dont see why I should waste more than 30 seconds on you, because every time I have put challenges to you in the past you have backed away every time.

Email me direct if you want a reply to anymore of your silly comments.

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Who are you fooling Bobby Boy? Your systems have no edge, and thus are not advantage play! So your opinions are useless because of your past!

And I don't remember you ever challenging me! Quite the contrary, I was the one who challenged you, but you declined! So don't twist things around. I would NEVER back down from a challenge from a person like you.

By the way, you might want to change the font color and font of the lettering on your website! It reminds me of Pigs Get Fat website. It is very hard on the eyes, I thought a good salesman like you ought to know what appeals to customers!

LOL
 
Roulette Spins Posted: 23-Feb-07 20:56
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Kelly, I am now only going to respond to people who have some intelligence, so YOU can email me and I will go through things with you.
The lying Miro Zirdum is just illegally spreading something that is only the tip of the iceberg.
The numerous dvds that are supplied and the bigger book explain the hows and whys.

Drop me a line.
 
forester Posted: 23-Feb-07 21:50
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OMG, He wants to teach father how to make kids.

[Edited by forester on 23-Feb-07 22:50]
 
Kelly Posted: 24-Feb-07 03:57
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I only ask out of pure curiosity because there must be at least 4 ways to do it and im always interested in a new approach to do it or develoments of old ways.

In many ways i think its better to work together rather than fight. The duel between the 3 of you Mark, Stefano, and now also Forester and to some degree also Bob Gordon is pretty damaging for the people out there who is actually playing.

What amazes me most, is the heavy marketing campaign from particularly Stefano and Mark (try "Google" roulette computers). Its a subject that should be kept to a minimum instead of throwing it publicly around on news boards and other secondary net advertising objects. Affiliate web sites etc. I found 4 affiliate web sites with links to Stefano where the contents on the pages was only 1 text page with some links.

A few years ago the few computer players that were around would not admit that they even knew the existence of Roulette computers.

Now you see advertised hit rates of 1:18 or 94% edge and even 1:7, +400% edge.

To compare with a guy who actually DID play for 23 years, we have Christian Kaisan who made 4.000.000 Euro over 23 years. He estimates his edge to be between + 2 - 3%.

So if the hit rates holds water, we would already today see the world filled with Roulette millionaeres...... Instead we see a fight between the 3 of you that really is unnessecary. At least for the rest of us that just wants to visit the casino 6-8 times a month and take a good chunk out of the casinos profits, without being hazzeled too much.
 
Roulette Spins Posted: 24-Feb-07 04:07
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Spot on Kelly, spot on.
 
Kelly Posted: 24-Feb-07 04:11
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Talking about Christian Kaisan, he has just released a book that you can get from here:

http://www.kaisan.de/

33 Euro, language German

As i understands it, it is almost purely posts from messages he made on the Paroli board. And no "system" description on how he plays.
 
forester Posted: 24-Feb-07 08:00
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Kelly, all that we did is that we test Stefano’s Computer.
I never had intention to describe details. Didn’t we have simple forum chat when Bago had madness attack? Then Stefano come and accused me that I am layer and that his computer does not start with tic tac toe and 3 or 4 digits code. That created chain reaction. On the end I only asked Stefano to return 3 of his computers and one of his paper systems. He starts playing game, but that will cost him much more. It is not war it is simply peoples right. We are not talking about $20 system, his computer with additional equipment cost $12 000, paper system is $2000.

Now imagine someone buys it and trying without any success, hear only excuses from Stefano mostly that bad results are because of bad clocking. Then he tries it with the highest accuracy, from 100 spins get predicted less then 10, and prediction is again wrong. It is not coincidence that some of them on the end gave up and tried to get my system.

Roulette spins –Bob Gordon –Doker is different, it is true that he never advertised system not this time. It was coincidence that one professional card player banned in many casinos decided to try his luck with roulette. I talked a lot with him. He told me whatever he tried did not work and he lost money. He plays big and with Bob’s system he lost a lot. Only with my E2 which is free, he improvised it by himself he managed to not lose but he did not progress as well. He sent me Bob’s system to look at it.
I mean you probably read it, there is nothing that I need to say.

When Bob found about review he asked me to remove it, first he was polite after he start threatening me; probably he thinks that I care for all rubbish he writes about me on forums. He is only showing how miserable he can be.

Bobs approach was different; with every DVD sold he was sending email about great system with which he made $1.6 millions.

In his email where he complained he told me that he never publicly advertise system, for him it would be same as plan to rob a bank and write about it on internet. That sounds fine, but I asked him what the difference is if you plan robbery and sell plan for $1000 as he did.

I think system sellers are changing and adopting. Simple advertisement as; sickness or age reasons for sale, do not work any more.
So they start using informative web pages, and then they whisper to visitors, “hey be quiet, I have something special”.

When I stopped selling systems and refusing any of supply I actually found out that it attracts people. My objective really was not that.
Now imagine how I feel when someone after 6 month whom I referred to Stefano comes back to me and tells me all story about Stefano. In the past, I did prefer Stefano more then Mark.


It is not easy to design good system; it needs more then one person.
Selling system or keeping everything that you know for yourself.
I think balance in between is the best. If I never did not sell any system I definitely would not know everything that I know. But my approach is different, all my system users communicate together. I do not hide anything in front of them, each single one can face me in front of all the others with anything he wants.


All last year I did not want to sell any, until one day someone knocked at my door, wanting to buy it no matter what the price is.
When they call me by phone I was shocked with knowledge and experience they have.
That actually gave final touch to my latest development.
Well I thought final touch. Now they asked me if I can use Stefano’s features and load my program. It seams as never ending story.


Kelly, good computer can produce huge edge, sure in real play it will never be as with kitchen bench test. Accuracy of calculation is important but practicability in casino environment has same value. I think I managed to get it all.

Imagine system so simple to use that does not care at which point you clock the wheel, and does not care at which point you clock the ball, but produces result with close accuracy as you measured ball speed with laser.

Soon I will put my system for sale with astronomical price, so nobody buys it.
Well if someone does with that price I will make one more unit.
Do not ask me why, because I do not know. Is it good or bad I do not care.
It was my challenge, maybe I only want to say to the world, yes I did it.

If someone contacts me I will refer everybody to Mark.
Because I think that he did well with his new software I have seen his video it looks as good prediction .


[Edited by forester on 24-Feb-07 09:25]
 
Roulette Spins Posted: 24-Feb-07 09:00
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LOL
Get me a bucket !
 
Kelly Posted: 24-Feb-07 09:07
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Forester, yes i know that some computers can produce huge edges when the algorithmes are good and the learning spins has been sorted cleverly, but somehow there seems to be a lack of multimillionaers from roulette computers.

Kaisan bought a castle for some of his winnings plus he has been barred from almost all respectable casinos. (Barnett got the list im sure) and his edge is only 2-3% (1:34) so one would expect some more and much faster from hit rates of 1:7.

As for Bob Gordon, i don`t know. When i read the system i still need something to detect the 6th last revoloution which is not described. The tables shows the difference between the wheel speeds and they are overall correct. There are a few minor faults though, but asuming the same ball decelleration for all wheel speeds, the tables are correct. (minor faults though).

I know, the ball decelleration is never the same and the ball might not drop from the exact same spot each time, which, in both cases, will alter the end number where the ball hits. But if you HAVE to place your bets in the 6th last round, there is not much you can do AFTER that. You will have to accept both variables. (Depending on how he define the ball speed)

I would rather not muck him when i don`t know half of the approach.
 
Teorulte Posted: 25-Feb-07 01:49
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This is all fine and dandy, but this has nothing to do with Stefano and his lies. I do not want to talk with system seller Bobby Boy or anyone else about Roulette Computers on this thread! The simple fact is Stefano's computer is nothing more than the Newton Program he stole and altered slightly! And it still has the TIC TAC TOE dummy program on it!

By the way Bob Gordon,

Shouldn't you busy playing Phenomenon Roulette? You know the system that gives the player the edge (except against Hamburg Spins) LOL

And on a geocities site no less! Looks like you wanted to look real professional there! I guess it is better than your gaudy, bright site that you have now! Again I ask, did you consult with Pigs Get Fat owners? You guys should match wits, you would make a hell of a team!

STEFANO, I WANT ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS:


1. How do you respond to the claim that run multiple web sites, which would seemingly put you in a conflict of interest?

http://www.roulettesystemsexposed.com/gw-whois.htm

Why else would your Genuinewinner system get 4 stars out of 5, and your Roulette Computer get 4.5 stars out of 5?


2. How do you respond to the claims put forward by Mark Howe at

http://predictroulette.com/competitors.php

and the claims of David Steinberg at

http://www.roulettesystemsexposed.com/


3. Most important of the claims, that you have spent time in jail:

Evidence at

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/stories/s204117.htm

and

http://predictroulette.com/courtcase1.htm


How can anyone trust anything you have to say since you pleaded guilty to attempting to manipulate the stock market using bogus emails?!!

Even Izak has his limits!


4. How do you respond to the claim your roulette computer is nothing more than the NEWTON Roulette Computer?

In fact, one of your purchasers asked for their money back because they also have the Newton computer and realised it was this program just changed slightly. This purchaser also said that you had left the TIC TACK TOE game in your copied version as a dummy program should anyone get hold of it, just like in the Netwon Program.
 

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