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Stefano Posted: 07-Feb-08 17:27
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The first public demonstration of my roulette prediction
technology is done. Photos and videos of the event will
be released soon. It is many hours of footage, and I need
to blur out faces to protect attendees - that's a lot of
editing so it will take some time to release all video
footage. I anticipate the full footage will be on about 5
DVDs. But I'll at least make photos available soon.

For reference, the computer version demonstrated was
12.7. The April demo will be 12.8 which only has a minor
difference.

FORESTER'S DIFFERENT DIAMOND TEST:

A test with different diamonds as reference points was
done, with 5 predictions for each of the 4 vertical
diamonds (20 spins total) and every prediction is within
an arc of 4 numbers - a deviation of no more than 1-2
numbers either side. Beeps when the computer predicts the
ball to fall are clearly audible and accurate. It's all
on video, with attendees who applied the computer for
themselves - each of them announce their results.
Attendees achieved much the same results - their actual
worksheets and signed declarations that show their
results will be published too. We would've done it over
10 spins per diamond (40 spins), but that would have made
participants fall asleep, and 20 spins is more than
adequate for demonstration purposes. Forester, as for
your claim about latency in response times for clicks in
Java, YES this is true, but perhaps you forget we are
dealing with a difference in latency between clicks, not
actual latency. If all clicks registered even 1 second
later, then the difference in latency is 0. The
"difference in latency" is NOT significant, providing the
java is coded appropriately and hardware tweaked,
although this is something perhaps only experienced
developers would understand. And Forester, regarding how
you said my public demo would never take place, surely
you'll eventually see the video, and perhaps saying "I
told you so" doesn't quite cut it. I don't expect an
apology and don't care much for it anyway.

The same different diamond test was conducted with FF and
Howe's psion computer. Rather than create an argument,
I'll let the reactions from attendees in the video do the
talking about this.


LIVE SPIN DEMO FOR HYBRID AND STANDARD COMPUTERS:

On real spins in front of attendees, the hybrid achieved
a 1 in 12 direct hit rate, without even needing to look
at the wheel. Barnett, who is not as experienced as he
makes out to be, once said "roulette prediction wasn't
meant to be easy" - I quite think I proved otherwise.

The capabilities of the hybrid to view the wheel even
from reflections of light fittings was also demonstrated.
The hybrid can even be situated on the ground, well below
the wheel.

The standard computer achieved 1 in 15-18 hit rates on
the same spins. Every attendee applied a standard
computer for themselves, so results varied slightly. To
avoid distracting beeping from the many computers,
attendees used headphones for their computers (most of
the time), although each of them clearly make their
results known after all spins.

Were predictions merely very late? No, all predictions
were at least 7 seconds before ball falling which is
clear in the video footage. Was the wheel tilted? No, and
you see it leveled at the very beginning with attendees
right at the wheel to confirm. Were predictions accurate
just because I spun the wheel? Nope, the attendees took
turns in spinning. Did I use a magic ball? No, an
attendee randomly chose one of 30+ different balls to be
used. Was it voodoo? No, just the result of meticulous
research and development from a resourceful and well-paid
team. In all over $300k has been spent on development.

STANDARD COMPUTER COMMON MYTHS:

As perhaps would be expected, a lot of distorted and
plain incorrect information has circulated about me and
my technology. At times it's been worse than Hollywood
gossip. Most came from individuals that had something to
lose from the effectiveness of my technology, some from
ignorant individuals that perpetuated myths but really
had no idea about my technology, but also some from
actual purchasers who either didn't understand
application or features, or appreciate my technology has
been in constant evolution with a full time team of
developers to make it literally as good as it can be.
Let's specific: our French friend Bago. I have no ill
feelings towards you Bago, and wish you all the best -
you were right about some things in earlier software
versions, but very wrong about many more things which
will be quite clear when you see the conference video.

VIDEO SPINS DEMO:

The standard computer was also applied on spins from
other wheels (on dvd) by all attendees at the same time.
These two other wheels are indisputably not under my
control, or control of participants. Hit rates ranged
from 1 in 12-16. By this stage though, of course everyone
was already convinced - it was more a formality for the
cameras.

NON COMPUTER METHODS (ROULETTE SYSTEM):

For the system component (www.genuinewinner.com), I
demonstrated principles of visual ballistics, different
types of bias, and explained numerous pattern types that
form on wheels. In the actual demonstration, I did not
spin the wheel myself at all. The test yielded only a
small profit over 200 spins, but bare in mind predictions
were made before ball release. And as stated before this
particular demo, 200 spins is still relatively short
term, and the system is more a long term strategy, so
proving effectiveness should be done over many more spins
which would likely have bored attendees to death. I
might also add that certainly no other "system seller"
would have the balls to provide such a public
demonstration. I'll also add that the edge from the
system demo was still greater than any blackjack
card-counting or shuffle analysis technique.

SUMMARY:

Of course some individuals may claim the 4 diamond test
is somehow edited, yet I never move from the screen with
the computer, and others clearly in the video did the
test for themselves, and stated their results. The
attendees were not cardboard cutouts, and were not actors
- they were not animations either. Some individuals may
even claim I used magnets, yet at the start of the demo
you clearly see me disassemble and reassemble the wheel
to show all parts. Some individuals may even claim I paid
15 actors, or perhaps that every attendee was actually
me, and that the video was edited by Pixar Animation
Studios. Who knows what they may think of or say -
anything but God forbid finally concede my technology is
effective, but that truth just wouldn't suit them.
Despite what they may say, I covered all bases to
establish certainly more than reasonable proof of my
claims. And anything new that envious individuals may
think of will be addressed in the April demo. So to those
that so insidiously want to discredit me, go right ahead
and give me more points to address in the next public
demo.

It's all on video my friends to be released soon. And
everything will be repeated in April if you want to see
it for yourself in person. See
www.genuinewinner.com/conference.htm

Best Regards,

Stefano Hourmouzis
+61 3 9737 6422 (Australia, +10 GMT, 9am-5pm, Mon-Fri)
www.genuinewinner.com
www.roulettecomputers.com
www.hybridroulettecomputer.com




[Edited by Stefano on 07-Feb-08 18:36]
 
forester Posted: 07-Feb-08 19:03
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Wooo, on 24th January you sent an email to everybody how conference is canceled.
Now it it already happen without anybody knowing about it. Did you at least managed to inform your mom and remaining family about the conference. Since you are Greek background based on movie “my big fat greek wedding “ you should have enough attendants.

In regards to mobile phones I did research with the best developers.
I would love to transfer the FF to mobile as another option but it simply can’t be done.

Even if mobile doesn’t run other tasks in background and if it can produce 100% accurate timing you will always be way behind the FF. Just look what your professionals did with your program. After clocking the ball you have delay of almost 1.5 sec to get number pronounced. Which idiot can do something as that where each second is so much important. And you call that professional.

At least I am happy that you start understanding importance of “Foresters test”. Didn’t I told you do not resist it but use it.

Recently I publisher quite a lot of my discussion with developers but this part I like the most.

“using an OS not specifically designed for real time work will not match
your requirements... You would end up with something absolutely not
accurate (perhaps one of the problems of your concurrents)”

 
Tron Posted: 07-Feb-08 19:16
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Forester,you know nothing about what you are saying because you are NOT a java programmer.

As for Stefano, if his device works like he claims then he will have no problem allowing people to pay ONLY for the hardware and allow them to use the software for 1 month to prove it works on his phones. So, they pay him 200 dollars for his phone and try it for one month! Purchasers will see that the device makes money just like Stefano claims and will willingly pay the rest of the money!

Stefano already has software built into the phone so that people need a code to carry on using it every month, so he should not have a problem doing this. If the customer is happy with stefanos devices, they pay the rest of the money another 4800 dollars. If they are not happy, they have a 200 dollar phone, have not risked 5000 dollars and stefano is not out of pocket either, thats a real test if someone product is genuine or not. Hope you Join Howe is proving that you are genuine Stefano and not the scammer Forester claims you are.



[Edited by Tron on 07-Feb-08 20:19]
 
forester Posted: 07-Feb-08 19:50
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Well it is actually good idea since he already have full control over users.
He can disable phone at any time. But he prefers to do it only for wrong reasons. As he disabled phone to one of guys from Croatia simply because he tried to get help.


No I am not Java programmer, therefore all I wrote is what professionals told me.
The FF measures time with much faster speed then it is needed. My requirement with java was only 1 ms and they all replayed same.

Mark even you told me that you believe that your PDA works better then mobile.
It is because mobile phone running many applications in background that is why timings are less accurate. But and PDA isn’t good enough for leveled wheel prediction.


Anyway guys do whatever you want. I am completely done with option of programming mobile phones. If I want real time applications I will do it on hardware that can support it. And definitely I will not waste prediction time as you in calling audio files with such huge time delay.
 
Stefano Posted: 07-Feb-08 19:59
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My dear Forester, you have no idea what you're talking about. Here's yet another example of your ignorance.. In the announcement you are referring to, I explained the situation with my unborn son and why the conference was pushed forward to April (kidney complications). More recently, as I better knew what were previously unknown timing about my son, I agreed to a demo to local players before the birth - actually two public demos, with the next one being in a few days. Of course the April one is still going ahead, with most attendees being from overseas. Come if you like, the invitation is still there, if you have any backbone. You are quite the ignorant clown, and very immature. I can't believe you are supposedly a grown man. Big fat Greek wedding?.. grow up. Your FF is light years behind my technology which you've already proven you know nothing about. You will see 15 people apply your different diamond test, and their results from their own mouth. If you're embarrassed about being proven wrong and ignorant, that is your problem. And about your Croatian friend, bullshit he tried to get help - I kept asking him how he was going and he NEVER sought support. He willingly broke the contracts and got exactly what he should have expected.

Tron, the phone costs me about US$500 including technical modifications to make it more suitable, not $200. Thats what players pay if they need a replacement. And I'm not selling computers anymore after older stock is gone. I don't make my profit split players pay anything at all, not $200, not $10, but $0.00. The conferences are multi-purpose, but mainly to form teams and meet serious players, not make sales.

Good on mark if he wants to offer cheaper trials, and good on forester if he finally makes his FF speak, but I'll focus on application rather than sales.

And again, I truly have better things to do that squabble with children here. Let me just say anyone curious will see the video for themselves. And I know idiots like forester will spit the dummy and make excuses, but that is their problem to deal with.
 
forester Posted: 07-Feb-08 21:04
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Sure, now you have alien’s technology. Does it still take 1.5 sec to start calling number?

Have it, who cares, but stop selling and promoting scam.

Croatian guy tried to get help from you, you couldn’t provide it.
He tried to return phone you refused.
So he found my friend in Croatia and asked for help.
That friend already tested your computer earlier so he simply told him to give up.

When we were talking on the phone he asked me if I can try to get refund from you for that guy as well. You refused, accusing me to be dishonest and that nobody wants refund, and then you created series of web pages trying to discredit me.

And now you trying to convince me that your phone works.
You can’t.
I did enough research, mobile phone is good for java tic tack toe game but for needed timing application appropriate hardware must be used.

 
Stefano Posted: 07-Feb-08 21:34
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Miro, your whole house would fit in my BBQ area. You'll read about my teams in time.

With your infinite knowledge, you'd of course know I already have computers on PIC and custom chips, and a lot smaller than your FF. You'd also know predictions in most recent versions are given almost instantly. You know nothing about my technology. Bago already embarrassed you with the bet you lost. You are still trying to make your computer speak, but I've already developed computers that work with eyes closed. Our technology is world's apart my friend. If that's a source of tension or embarrassment for you, I don't give a shit.
 
forester Posted: 08-Feb-08 02:21
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Sure, sure, just keep it to your self as you were promising for few months.
In between do not promote something that doesn’t work.

In regards to Bago as I remember he clearly explained your phone as total scam and you run away. Should I refresh your memory? In regards to bet he never put money on table.
When he understood that I know more about your phone than what he was expecting he refused to send money to Fishman as we agreed and as he promised to do. If you have short memory asks Fishman did he ever receive money. Anyway your dishonest at that time cost you a lot. Yes with your lies that the phone doesn’t start as tic tack toe game you embarrassed me for a moment. But you embarrassed yourself for life. Right after I made full description how your phone works including and how is reactivated, but you claimed, it must be someone told him. It is simple, you do not make bets that someone doesn’t know something if you think that he might know it. The bet was do I know or not, and I definitely did know, if I didn’t know I wouldn’t make bet with double money.


In regards video you made even you tried you couldn’t show that the FF is inaccurate.
You only showed how incompetent you are in understanding roulette prediction. Total lack of practicability. But the FF was still predicting accurtly.


Ok, at least now you understand that your previous design was useless on java mobile phones and that losing 1.5 sec is not good design at all. If you couldn’t understand that during design I can imagine how remaining of program is made.

Next time when you want to claim that you have computer programmed on a PIC do not show picture of singing module that is used in kid’s toys. And if you have it do not just talk “I have it” and still promote old rubbish.

What about all those accusations that you couldn’t refund phones because I didn’t give you names of your players who want refund for phones? I gave you one and you locked his phone. What would be if I gave you all 6. You would block them all to remove all prove about your scam. For you really there is no reason to get upset if I call you a fag.
 
forester Posted: 08-Feb-08 07:29
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Mark stops talking rubbish.

“Does he know using artificially generated voices that this reduces the time, think not loll”

No I did not know but professionals told me. It is MIDP 2.0 and JAR, but that is definitely not how your phone is programmed. SO why you refer on something that you do not use. Perhaps you should read full description at my page what are additional problems with java and mobile phones.

Anyway I was only thinking which stupid idiot could make program as you and Stefano were using for all this time. I can only imagine remaining parts of the program.

But if you thinking it is good for you keep going.
I prefer too use something much faster and more accurate without losses in time.

www.myrulet.com
where the ball stops
 
Franki Posted: 08-Feb-08 09:51
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Bago:
Do you have Mark's old mobil phone? He helped you to get money back from Stefano and if I remember well he also sent you his Nokia mobil phone.
If not, then you can buy it now for very small money! Maybe this one works! Who knows?
 
Bago Posted: 08-Feb-08 11:04
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I have his PDA 3a i got for free because the software prophecy circulated for free.
The software in his mobile phone is the same, you can hear "fraction" and other words that are used in his PDA software. It does not work.

Mark added my documents on his website which he promised to delete after i received my money-back. As he is very mentally challenged and compulsive liar (100% SURE), he had not done it. For this i apologize regarding Stefano who gave my money-back but i've warned him in several emails of what i was going to do if i didn't get my money-back. He prefered not to hear, and it has happened what had to happen.

I've never received Mark's nokia mobile phone whereas he promised me around 5 times to do it, to prove me that he is really genuine contrary to Stefano and Forester.
When i asked him why, he replied he has been to the hospital or was travelling in Norway, Sweden, Finland, Danemark... but could not give any evidence like a picture of a local newspaper...

Lately i told him i agree to pay his 200£ to test his phone but he declined saying i was wrong to claim his PDA software was done by Sandor Kowacs, whereas this last acknowledged it to me on the phone.

I tell you, do not lose anymore of your time on roulette computers vendors, like Christian Kaisan told me: "Winners don't sale".
 
SPIKE Posted: 08-Feb-08 12:05
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Forester I am not Mark>>>

LOL, sure you are. You sound just like him, your sentence structure is identical. You have the same know it all smart ass attitude. You're Mark all right.
 
Stefano Posted: 08-Feb-08 15:39
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Bago, I refunded your money because I didnt want to deal with such an unstable immature child. No problem if you and mark want to believe otherwise. At your young age, living in France, you could be almost a millionaire by now. You threw away a winning lottery ticket and don't appear to know it. Say whatever you desire, and when you see the public demo video, you'll be just as embarrassed as forester. Of course you dont want to believe that and will attack me. Yes I really care. You, mark, forester or whoever can call me big names like scammer, but well, all in time my friends.

[Edited by Stefano on 08-Feb-08 17:27]
 
SPIKE Posted: 08-Feb-08 16:58
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whoever can call me big names like scammer>>>

Aren't you the guy who went to prison for scamming people? Sure you are, you're a convicted scammer.
 
Stefano Posted: 08-Feb-08 18:13
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Spike, no, I'm the guy that went to prison for publishing unintentional misleading information about a public company that was obtained from their press releases: www.genuinewinner.com/rentech.htm

What does it have to do with my roulette technology? Nada. Ignorance is bliss. Wait to see the video of the public demo before you act like you know something. It will make a lot of red faces. Or attend the next one if you want: www.genuinewinner.com/conference.htm - or of course you can sit in your chair merely postulating like the rest of the crowd. Who's loss is it?

Another point of your ignorance, roulette computer application is LEGAL in most parts of the world. I suppose you'd know this, since you've paid solicitors to determine legalities throughout the world as I have. In particularly GG is full of ignorant and immature children. Perhaps you all should read Nicola Tesla's paper called "The problem of increasing human energy" and read what he says about ignorance. He was a smart man. Ignorance is quite a big problem on this planet - as is anything that inhibits truth. Without knowing truth, you can't take appropriately beneficial action - you do the opposite. But ignorance primarily harms the ignorant. That means it is your loss, not mine.

In the end, believe whatever you want to believe. But all truth comes out, eventually.

All the best my friends.
 
SPIKE Posted: 08-Feb-08 18:34
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roulette computer application is LEGAL in most parts of the world.>>>

What casinos allow them on their gaming floor? Just name one. Just name one casino that won't arrest you, ban you, or take you out back and beat the crap out of you for using a roulette computer.

I'm waiting.
 
Stefano Posted: 08-Feb-08 19:18
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Spike, legal and welcome are two different things. It doesn't take a genius to know casinos don't like winning players. As for legal, any casino in France - that's more than one casino. Happy now? Don't believe me? Do your legal research.

MMR, I don't care who you are or what you say. You sound pretty mad. Only a person that had something to lose from my technology being effective would resort to irrelevant issues to attempt to prove something else. It's called "really reaching" and "desperation". Stay in your chair postulating about my technology. It's not exactly my loss what you or anyone believes.. Oh gee my computer and advantage methods are just one big scam.. arent they now? Wait for the video of the public demo you moron, or attend one yourself.
 
Strip Crusher Posted: 08-Feb-08 20:55
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Two questions for the 3 sellers...Forester has already admitted he cannot do the first one!

1. Can you put a video on the net where your device predicts which of the 4 vertical diamonds the ball will strike on a level wheel...20 spins would be sufficient, and we would expect a minimum of 15 correct predictions.

2. Can you produce a chart demonstrating the varying times of the balls final revolution on a level wheel...again a sample of 20 spins would be sufficient.

Failure to do the above should make any serious player/purchaser to run the opposite way with their money!
 
forester Posted: 08-Feb-08 21:41
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Stefano, I think it is time that you awake from your imaginary world.

I asked you to return only 50% of purchasing price to 6 people which bought the FF after disappointment with your computer.

You pretend it is not truth. You even told me how Croatian guy is actually wining.
Now you admitting that you instead of refunding Croatian guy actually blocked his phone. Why?

If you were listening him I probably would never know about him. So by selling him rubbish computer and promising refund you forced him to look for help.
Can’t you understand that people need to communicate? You can’t force people to live in your imaginary world forever. Specially if they losing money as it is case with your computer.

Why did you send to Bago old phone? If the FF is harder to operate then your computer I am still positive that he would be skilled enough to do it. How he couldn’t operate your computer if it is so easy.

And you never told me in which jail you were spending your time for previous scam.
I would like to find out whose bitch you were.
It is not so much problem that you were in jail. The problem is that you were in jail because of scamming people not casino.


Strip Crusher (Mark)

I told you long time ago do not argue with the FF’s accuracy because you can’t.
You may argue it is hard it is not for team play it ….whatever. But you can’t argue about accuracy because it is extremely accurate system.
 
Bago Posted: 09-Feb-08 13:18
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Stefano

You want us to be part of your dream world where your technologies are accurate and everybody would be a millionnaire with your systems.
Reality tells otherwise. Your 2500$ system is a simple dealer signature system where you compare last winning pocket with following winning pocket. You make a chart and 99% of the time you get a scattered chart where no edge is possible. If it was only me saying that, ok, but the truth is a lot are saying like me. Eric posting as ESQ in your roulette forum sent you 25,000 spins from different wheels and he never got a custom variant! And you by extraordinary, you turn 100$ into 4000$ at Casinowebcam?.
People are not stupid and can easily deduce you are a scammer. Why would you pay adwords to promote your 2500$ system whereas you are supposed to turn 100$ into 4000$ at Casinowebcam. I wonder why this website is till running despite the fact you claim having 400 genuine winner system players!.
Also your video at Casinowebcam is a joke. You have simply edited. You started with 5000$ bankroll, and only recorded and cut the video when your bankroll was climbing (winning streak). So you turned 4200$ to 5000$ something like that, i don't know who is impressed.

We would be impressed if you showed a video with a starting bankroll of 100$ and turning it to 4000$. Please don't show a video where the bankroll is obviously "attacked" and starting with an irregular amount like 4358$...

I was honest in my review about your computer, i had a lot of trouble with it, to begin not with the accuracy, but only to make it work. The switches were very poor and broke soon after some tests. When i asked for advices about settings on a particular wheel, you simply told me: "Test and try"...Super
You obviously don't know how to apply yourself your computer with such unexperienced answers. Vague answers trying to maintain you into the scam, like your genuine winner system with your custom variants that do not exist. It was all made to convince people it is not simply a dealer signature system but your custom variant html page says otherwise.

Your hybrid computer is in my opinion a joke also. People looking at the table all around the wheel will always break the camera line of sight, it might work in a laboratory but certainly not in real casino conditions. Your story of roof is impossible, you would need a perfect image of the wheel and ball as if you would see it in a mirror, into the roof the image is a fog, and you cannot possibly clock in this.

Your conference does not impress me at all. You've made up a review website where you are promoting your own systems and asking for people emails on this same website for Your systems, and you think people do not have a clue that it is yourself or via a partner you have made the website www.roulettesystemreviews.com? It is very obvious it is publicity for your systems...
Simply a joke, like your lab test of your systems, i thought there would have been a known scientist who would have signed and claimed that your systems are really genuine, but instead of that you presented a paper with some money won at particular casinos all over the world!. Do you find this convincing? Everybody can do the same.

I tell you i am very far from being embarrased, i am rather happy to have got my moneyback.


"Spike, legal and welcome are two different things. It doesn't take a genius to know casinos don't like winning players. As for legal, any casino in France - that's more than one casino. Happy now? Don't believe me? Do your legal research."

Say thanks to Bago who sent you his lawyer report!



[Edited by Bago on 09-Feb-08 14:24]
 
SPIKE Posted: 09-Feb-08 18:21
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As for legal, any casino in France - that's more than one casino.>>>

So casinos in France allow roulette computers? They welcome them and they let you openly cheat them out of their money? Somehow I doubt it. Name one casino that allows computers and I will call them and verify.
 
Stefano Posted: 10-Feb-08 17:08
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Spike, most casinos are privately owned establishments. That means they reserve the right refuse entry to any player, or ask any player to leave for any reason. If where application of roulette computers are legal, they suspect you of using computers, all they can do is ask you to leave. They cannot search you. It is illegal for them to touch you. They can only search you in some jurisdictions, such as Australia. By you saying "They welcome them and they let you openly cheat them out of their money?" indicates you don't understand roulette computer application is COVERT. That means you don't openly show it. The same as advantage techniques like visual ballistics - they are perfectly legal, but just not welcome. You don't wear a t-shirt saying "hey! I'm winning consistently! Kick me out!". If you call a casino and ask them "Can I win money from you with electronic gadgets", they'll tell you to get stuffed. No-one is disputing that. If this is not clear enough for you, I'm sorry I can't help you further.

Bago you are the most mentally unstable player I've ever known. Thats why I refunded you - I didn't want to deal with you. Your personality borders on narcisisstic, but it could be just your age, although I know many kids your age that aren't as childish. One minute you abused me, the next you praised me in a continuous cycle. You even apologized for your unstable behavior once. You then attacked other players on the player forum because they told you that you were wrong. You act like you are 14.

You know perhaps 15% about my methods, and I'm glad I kept it that way. One example, you thought you discovered something new with Pierre's vis a vis, but Tony that's just format 3 primordial with multiple peaks. Laurence calls it multi-nodes. Yes you really understood something about my methods, didn't you? You are very inexperienced. Remember when you tried to scam me with a $100,000 bet that you had a method that beat RNG spins? You said your system is finding what numbers hadn't spin after a while, then bet on them. You said winning would be certain because the "balance" would eventually occur. Being the pro you claim you are, you forgot about the house edge. It wasn't that long ago either. And what happened when you tried to sell your own method, Mr scamming system seller?

You may have thought you were honest about my computer. You were wrong though and didn't want to listen - that's called IGNORANCE, and it's rather common around here. You were only right about minor issues, but they no longer apply with current software versions. For example, I told you NOT to test the roulette computer with your PC's DVD player - such DVD players are notorious for skipping. You understand nada about roulette computers, and that those minor skips make a huge difference in predictions. This is an example of ignorance.

I've never spoken to Eric, only exchanged emails. If a player submits that many spins and doesn't get a custom, they are doing something wrong like not segregating spins on wheels where it is needed for patterns to be strong enough. Unless a player speaks to me for better support, often the issue is neglected. If he doesn't seek support, that is his choice. I have over 400 players, and not all are going to understand and succeed. Since I released my custom variant software, success rates have near doubled mainly because now players can develop customs instantly - no waiting for me, and no patterns changing by the time I respond - this makes far more wheels playable with custom variants. Wow I thought you said custom variants didn't exist, which just shows you really have no idea what they are, yet again showing your vast knowledge of my methods. Perhaps you should listen to the phone calls I've had with players - I'll post audio on my site soon.

Tony, the conference proves what an ignorant and wrong clown you are, so of course it wouldn't impress you - more like embarrass you. To address the issue of line of sight:

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Q7. What if I find I cannot obtain constant clear line of sight in my casino?

You don't "need" constant line of sight - it is only the ideal situation. This will be demonstrated at the conference. With the standard options, you can use the sneakiest and smallest reflections of higher reflective services to obtain a clear and largely uninterrupted line of sight from a higher view. The zoom lens is extremely powerful yet compact. If the computer detects a line of sight interruption, it doesn't give a prediction, and instead automatically informs the players. There are also a range of accessories and tools players can use to achieve clear line of sight in even the busiest casinos, perhaps not for all spins, but certainly more than enough for application to be clearly profitable. For example, let's say the casino was very busy and you need to use a reflection from a small brass light fitting on the roof - you may be able to achieve a down-angled view of 45 degrees (it doesn't matter if the reflection is reversed as the computer's settings deal with this too). In this situation, because the table is so busy, perhaps people are breaking the line of sight on about 30% of spins (during the few brief seconds that are required for the prediction to be made). This is a common situation, and is not a problem as per below:

With the common 1 in 12 exact number hit rate achieved by the hybrid, over 37 sample spins, if you bet on only ONE number in the above situation, the anticipated results would be:

For 12 spins: The computer would recognize the break of line of sight and won't give a prediction.

For the other 25 spins: 25 predictions are given, and 2 exact number wins result

Overall, this is 23 losses, and 2 wins as per below:

23 Losses = -23 units

2 Wins = +70 units

The overall result with $100 units is a profit of $4,700, so you can understand application is clearly profitable even in conditions where line of sight is poor.
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Your face is going to be one of the red ones when you see the conference video - what a loss you've made. In the end you're just a stupid kid. I wont hold it against you, but make sure you know what you're talking about before you open your mouth. It is true that what you do to others comes back on you - let's call it the "balance". You spread utter rubbish you spread about me, and the "balance" here is you miss out on a wealthy lifestyle. Not my loss my friend.

As for forester, you really cant handle it. Have a look at www.roulettecomputers.com/pic.jpg - Hmmm I wonder what that is.. could it be a PIC programmer? Forester, I'll tell you again: I have developed several roulette computers. Some use microcontrollers. I've even developed automated roulette computers (more than one) - do think I don't have the resources to have a PIC chip programmed? My smallest computer is not shown on my site - the site needs to be updated but I wont bother anyway. The smallest one is swallowable, something you are far off achieving.

You still have to:

1. Make your computer speak
2. Adapt your system for two players
3. Improve your algorithms to deal with semi-tilted wheels

And a lot more. You have a long way to go just to get to this stage. But if you want to reach the sophistication of my technology, you have light years to go.

Miro I don't want to sell computers anymore. I want to use them. That's why I contacted both you AND Mark to see if you want to form teams to PLAY, not sell. I said we can also collaborate to see if our technology can be improved for both our benefit as would be expected in such an arrangement, for a REAL PLAY situation. And what do you do?.. you go around bullshitting to everyone saying that I offered to buy your algorithms. Absolute bullshit. Now everyone knows this because I bother posting here. God knows what other bullshit you're feeding people.

And regarding beeps/zaps Vs the computer speaking, you obviously have no clue my computer beeps when the ball falls (optional in settings). If a player wanted to use beeps, like you want to do with HA's, the user only needs to set the beep to occur X seconds before the ball falls then observe the number under the ball at beep time. And it perfectly passes the different diamond test, although you need to have the eyes of a nighthawk.

Miro, your zapper is vastly inferior. It is comparatively a toy. Good that Barnett tested it on tilted wheels. Wow what a difficult test to pass. He couldn't test in on level wheels because it failed to give enough predictions.

Instead of correcting every bit of bullshit from ignorant fools, I'll get back to work. Good luck to you all.
 
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Have a look at www.roulettecomputers.com/pic.jpg - See the tiny chip in the slots? It's a test bed. Well, we have even smaller custom made chips. The swallowable model works on hearing aid batteries. All up it's approximately 1cm cubed (1x1x1cm). If this is so hard for you to believe, to me it suggests you have no clue how easy this model was to make. It was nothing compared to my automated computers.

And as said on the previous thread, I dont sell computers anymore. I sold the last older stock after the public demo. I now give computers away for $0.00 to serious players who enter partnership with me. Good for Mark if he's offering cheap trials.

I suppose I should mention that Tony got Howe's computer for free and agrees it's complete rubbish. Oh thats right, he's stupid? Well this time he was actually right.

Anyway, good luck with the babysitter.
 
forester Posted: 10-Feb-08 18:50
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As I said this man can only bull and bull.
He shows module found in kid’s toys as his PIC computer where the chip is completely not programmable, now he shows me a picture of programmer which can’t program the board he showed previously.
Of course he did not answer why he refused to refund money for 6 phones and why he even blocked phone to one of those 6 people.

From all he wrote I like this part the best.

“For example, let's say the casino was very busy and you need to use a reflection from a small brass light fitting on the roof”

THat was for comedy book.

Yes Stefano offered me his best technology in exchange for my algorithms. In emails he also admitted that his computer can’t handle clocking errors.
So what he was selling for all this time?
I never wrote about that publicly I only sent parts of his email to Bago so he leaves me alone and to understand that everything what Stefano told him is not truth.

Of course I refused to have any business with Stefano.
He cheats on people he cheats on me and when he screwed completely he wants to be a friend.

In regards to Barnett, you better read his review again and he is still testing the FF on various conditions. Just the fact that he as casino consultant decided to buy the FF for investigation means a lot. Your computer is not threat for casinos it is as he calls it “self blowing windmill “.

Now would you be kind enough to start refunding money for your computers and GW systems. 200% as you promised is not required, 50% will be good enough but 100% would be welcome.

You can start with that Croatian guy whose phone you blocked, when you complete that I will provide you with name of another owner of your computer who is unhappy. Since you have such high technology total refund of $30,000-40,000 is nothing for you. Probably 1 hour of play in casino.

Mark is right, since you have codes to limit phone working hours, sell it for ~cost price then after some time if people do not pay you remaining amount block the phone. Since the phone is so good after they all find how good it is they will be able to pay you double without any problems.
My FF is close to 10 times cheaper price. So I am doing it anyway. That way I could probably reduce price even more but the FF doesn’t use screen, or keyboard therefore it doesn’t have functionality of renewing codes on monthly bases.
It uses only one code only for system to be unlocked after someone decides to lock it in the case of emergency.

You will never stop selling phones. You will only talk false reviews, conferences, high technology, eatable computers just to find sucker to sell him same what you were selling past few years.


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Stefano Posted: 10-Feb-08 19:53
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Oh lord, you people are so incredibly screwed up, seriously. Jealous,
ignorant (VERY ignorant), blatantly dishonest clowns. Again and again
I've embarrassed you and I wont bother wasting further time. If you'r
e crying this bad now, I cant wait for later. Bye bye.

PS - If anyone wants to get my computer for $0.00, not $5000, not $20
0 for a trial, but for zero dollars and zero risk, they can call me. M
y site will reflect this when I have time to edit it.

Best Regards,

Stefano Hourmouzis
+61 3 9737 6422 (Australia, +10 GMT, 9am-5pm, Mon-Fri)
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www.hybridroulettecomputer.com

 
Bago Posted: 11-Feb-08 09:19
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What amaze me is Mr Stefano Hourmouzis claimed being an energy researcher, a roulette expert, who is a very busy person because he has to support 400+ players, his site promotions LTD company, and now he finds ample time to spam message boards.


"Bago you are the most mentally unstable player I've ever known. Thats why I refunded you - I didn't want to deal with you. Your personality borders on narcisisstic, but it could be just your age, although I know many kids your age that aren't as childish. One minute you abused me, the next you praised me in a continuous cycle. You even apologized for your unstable behavior once. You then attacked other players on the player forum because they told you that you were wrong. You act like you are 14."

You refunded me because you wanted my documents to disappear from Mark's website, you even harmed me with your lawyers contacting me soon if i didn't obey.
I am still waiting for them. I am so afraid of you fuckin scammer.
What is 14's is your behaviour like putting your cats rolling on your old crashed Huxley, and promising millions of dollars if someone proves your systems do not work which is very easy to do, but noone expects to receive money from you as you are a scammer and that you had big difficulty to refund my money and argued to keep it. That's fraudster behaviour.


"You know perhaps 15% about my methods, and I'm glad I kept it that way. One example, you thought you discovered something new with Pierre's vis a vis, but Tony that's just format 3 primordial with multiple peaks. Laurence calls it multi-nodes. Yes you really understood something about my methods, didn't you? You are very inexperienced."

Bluff. I am not the one who complained about your simple approach which is a simple dealer signature, where ball landed, where the ball lands next. You are talking about Pierre's Vis à Vis now, but it was never mentionned in your PDF documents, you ignored it completely, you are talking about this because i taught to people what it is in a post on GG. Proof that none of your actual players know what it is: Uchimata, a player of yours asked what it is on Forester's message board. LOL

You HAD TO add your custom variants story to convince people to continue to buy your shit because Mark was sending your system, (which you called primordial variant soon after this exposure), to everybody all over the net.

"You may have thought you were honest about my computer. You were wrong though and didn't want to listen - that's called IGNORANCE, and it's rather common around here. You were only right about minor issues, but they no longer apply with current software versions. For example, I told you NOT to test the roulette computer with your PC's DVD player - such DVD players are notorious for skipping. You understand nada about roulette computers, and that those minor skips make a huge difference in predictions. This is an example of ignorance."

No man, you are the one who contradicts yourself. For example in your Mark section you claim that he cannot say anymore that your video at casinowebcam shows a dealer signature approach, whereas i still have the mail where you wrote that dealer signature is part of it all. I have countless of examples like this which proves that you are nothing more than a scammer and conman.

Also about minor issues, you acknowledged i was right, (very surprised), you claim having rectified but before i purchased, in your website it was claimed that your phone obtained a 1/15 hit rate on level wheels.
What surprise me is the fact you claimed LONG AGO that your phone was accurate to a point where Casino's were going to no more accept bets after the wheel and ball are spun. With a 1 in 15 hit rate, how could it be different.
Big contradiction is your ungoing updates, passing from 2 ball clicks which were supposed to be enough to get a big edge, now you added the possibility to click EIGHT times. What a joke.

Also the big lie about your vibration mode, that was supposed to be another way to receive predictions, so no need to use an earpiece. The vibration mode cannot be applied if during your ball samples, the last one does not end by striking on your reference diamond (i.e: 12 o'clock). Indeed, if the last one ends elsewhere, there is no way to know the offset (where the computer predicts compared to where the ball lands), so for example if during play mode you receive 1 vibration which means first sector clockwise to zero (9 pockets sector), then you do not know where to bet by adding the offset that is unknown. You admitted in a mail i still got in record that you do need an earpiece for this case, which is 95% of the case when you are playing a level wheel.
If i was wrong, how come Theo Shermacher, an actual computer player of yours asked me to sell him an earpiece.
If i was wrong about your system, how come Jorge Lafuente, Steve Balino, Arshaad Mohammad, a malaysian player i don't remember his name, and a lot others asked for a refund?

"Tony, the conference proves what an ignorant and wrong clown you are, so of course it wouldn't impress you - more like embarrass you. To address the issue of line of sight:"

It proves nothing at all. You have paid people to promote your scam like at roulettesystemreviews.com, so there is no harm to think all people invited at your conference are actual friends of yours or employees from your sitepromotions company, after all it is the goal to promote your scams.


Q7. What if I find I cannot obtain constant clear line of sight in my casino?

"You don't "need" constant line of sight - it is only the ideal situation. This will be demonstrated at the conference. With the standard options, you can use the sneakiest and smallest reflections of higher reflective services to obtain a clear and largely uninterrupted line of sight from a higher view."

> Of course you need a constant line of sight. Your cameras will be hidden in a hand bag and it needs to be steady, if it moves, there is no predictions possible.
Also what happens if you don't find a Casino with a mirror instead of a common roof? I think it is in your imagination. I have visited around 80 Casinos in France and never encountered a roof where you could see the reflection of the wheel and ball.
And if it was the case, how could the camera distinguish the ball from the light of a watch for example or other things? This is really a joke what you explain here.

"The zoom lens is extremely powerful yet compact. If the computer detects a line of sight interruption, it doesn't give a prediction, and instead automatically informs the players. There are also a range of accessories and tools players can use to achieve clear line of sight in even the busiest casinos, perhaps not for all spins, but certainly more than enough for application to be clearly profitable."

You obviously do not visit often Casinos to know that it is very frequent, not to say always to have people behind players seated, all around the table included the wheel. So it would be very often that during all the night you cannot apply your technology IF the operator COULD wear the camera on him which is IMPOSSIBLE! because you said it needs to be steady! So how is it possible to apply that? Laying the Bag hiding the camera on a bar? What happens if there is no bar near the wheel?.
I think you've watched too much James Bond. LOL, and then it is me the kid.


"Your face is going to be one of the red ones when you see the conference video - what a loss you've made. In the end you're just a stupid kid. I wont hold it against you, but make sure you know what you're talking about before you open your mouth. It is true that what you do to others comes back on you - let's call it the "balance". You spread utter rubbish you spread about me, and the "balance" here is you miss out on a wealthy lifestyle. Not my loss my friend."

Again, noone care about your conference video, like your laboratory result which is a joke. What a loss if i continued with your computer, fortunately i had been smart enough to ship back your shit and getting back my money to apply an approach which works (VB).

"It is true that what you do to others comes back on you - let's call it the "balance". You spread utter rubbish you spread about me, and the "balance" here is you miss out on a wealthy lifestyle. Not my loss my friend."

This is exactly what i thought about you when you explained that your unborn kid has health problems.
 
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Tony, the last line of your last post perfectly sums up with an immature character you are. I'm not offended or hurt by what you said, just disappointed another human can be that pathetic and low. It is a transparent, desperate and petty attempt to get at me.

Yet I'll address a few of your points:

1. I never argued to keep your money. I tried to correct your many misunderstandings. Like how you tried using a PC DVD player to test the computer. You wouldn't listen. Not my loss Tony.

2. Want to know why "vis a vis" isnt mentioned in my documents? Because I dont call it "vis a vis", I call it multiple primordial peaks with format 3 spins. If you actually understood my methods, you would immediately have recognized it. I guess this makes Pierre a scammer too, right? I told you and Uchimata the same thing and that vis a vis was old news, but you are as thick as each other. Like I said, you have no idea about my methods. Even recently you were still trying to scam me out of $100,000 by claiming your system worked - the one where the "balance" and winning would occur. And you claim you're a professional? Err, no.

3. I have never said dealer signature doesn't form part of my methods. If you have trouble reading english, thats your problem.

4. 2 ball clicks is quite acceptable if the ball is at the end of the spin, but of course multiple clicks is best. Most players use 4-5 ball clicks because they want the prediction earlier. And you obviously know heaps about my current computer versions, dont you? You know nothing, but a kid like you wouldn't admit that - you just stomp your feet and cry. And regarding vibration mode, like I said, you know nothing about current versions.

5. Why dont you ask Theo how happy he is. Ask him about Italy.

6. Steven Ballino was never a player you idiot. He's some guy who's credit card was rejected so never became a player. He was sent initial documentation while his credit card was in the authentication process, but his card was rejected so he never became a player. You read rubbish mark wrote and obviously dont know any better. Arshaad Mohammad got a partial refund because his wife, a muslim, threatened to divorce him if he kept visiting casinos. He was happy with the system, thats why he only asked for a partial refund. As for Jorge, he's never asked me once for a refund and never expressed he had trouble. If a player has problems applying any of the techniques, it is their responsibility to seek help. You made no mention of players that are very happy with my methods, because that doesn't suit you. I have over 400 players. Some are successful, some aren't. Do you expect *all* players to understand application? The key factor is communication with me to aid understanding. Players that never bother to actually call or visit me tend to be the less successful players. Players that I know very well and have become friends with tend to be by far the most successful.

7. The casinowebcam video is from a player, not me. I said now Mark cant say I used consistent spins or anything like that... because I'm not spinning the wheel in the video. Think about it Tony.

Tony, I'll waste no further time with you. You cant handle being wrong, and you dont want to accept you stupidly threw away a wealthy lifestyle.. because that would after all make you look stupid, and you need to refute that for your own ego. You are just a kid, but more immature for other kids your age. Your own stupidity is your own loss. I've come in contact with a lot of people, and besides Mark Howe, you are literally the most immature "adult" I've ever known.
 
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Tony, the last line of your last post perfectly sums up with an immature character you are. I'm not offended or hurt by what you said, just disappointed another human can be that pathetic and low. It is a transparent, desperate and petty attempt to get at me.

It is not immature, it is what you, as a scammer and dihonest person deserves.

Yet I'll address a few of your points:

1. I never argued to keep your money. I tried to correct your many misunderstandings. Like how you tried using a PC DVD player to test the computer. You wouldn't listen. Not my loss Tony.

You did, i warned you several times that i was going to report you to the authorities if i didn't get my money back. You prefered not to hear, and now you are exposed as a fraud at Mark's website through authentic documents and you have a legal case against you. You've lost a lot.


2. Want to know why "vis a vis" isnt mentioned in my documents? Because I dont call it "vis a vis", I call it multiple primordial peaks with format 3 spins. If you actually understood my methods, you would immediately have recognized it. I guess this makes Pierre a scammer too, right? I told you and Uchimata the same thing and that vis a vis was old news, but you are as thick as each other. Like I said, you have no idea about my methods. Even recently you were still trying to scam me out of $100,000 by claiming your system worked - the one where the "balance" and winning would occur. And you claim you're a professional? Err, no.

You don't know what is Vis à Vis, you don't know when it occurs, in what conditions and why. So stop saying your system takes it into account. You are a scammer selling a rubbish approach, interpret his scattered charts full of peaks and predict the future like a meteorologist. You are a dumbass, ignorant and mentally ill.

3. I have never said dealer signature doesn't form part of my methods. If you have trouble reading english, thats your problem.

Your current players do not know exactly what is your system because you change your stories everytime. In your custom variant sections you claim you have to respect the rules to be successful, like focusing on slow wheel spins, slow ball spinning... BUT in your PDF document, you claim that custom variants have nothing to do with wheel speed and ball speed.
Give me a break, you lie all the time and contradict yourself about your products that it becomes laughable.

4. 2 ball clicks is quite acceptable if the ball is at the end of the spin, but of course multiple clicks is best. Most players use 4-5 ball clicks because they want the prediction earlier. And you obviously know heaps about my current computer versions, dont you? You know nothing, but a kid like you wouldn't admit that - you just stomp your feet and cry. And regarding vibration mode, like I said, you know nothing about current versions.

Again, your computer was supposed to be effective and getting a 1 in 15 hit rate even on modern level wheels before i purchased your shit. Obviously it was a lie since you had to update it to no end, that's the clear proof that it has never work and will never work. If it was so accurate like you claimed, you would not have needed to update it. Do you see the obvious, scammer?

5. Why dont you ask Theo how happy he is. Ask him about Italy.

Uchimata is supposed to have won ten of thousands of dollars with your system but spend his time on Forester's message board asking questions that prove he is looking for another approach than yours, which does not work. Theo Shermacher asked me for an earpiece whereas you claim he is successful and that he got your new version that is supposed to be accurate with vibration mode? Again a lie, if it was so good, he would not have cried for an earpiece, he would have used your vibration mode.

6. Steven Ballino was never a player you idiot. He's some guy who's credit card was rejected so never became a player. He was sent initial documentation while his credit card was in the authentication process, but his card was rejected so he never became a player. You read rubbish mark wrote and obviously dont know any better. Arshaad Mohammad got a partial refund because his wife, a muslim, threatened to divorce him if he kept visiting casinos. He was happy with the system, thats why he only asked for a partial refund. As for Jorge, he's never asked me once for a refund and never expressed he had trouble. If a player has problems applying any of the techniques, it is their responsibility to seek help. You made no mention of players that are very happy with my methods, because that doesn't suit you.

The successful ones do not exist. I have been a member of your message board and can testify honestly that every posters are not successful at all. The only ones who can make money from your system play in very poor country where the wheels and ball are old.

"I have over 400 players. Some are successful, some aren't. Do you expect *all* players to understand application? The key factor is communication with me to aid understanding. Players that never bother to actually call or visit me tend to be the less successful players. Players that I know very well and have become friends with tend to be by far the most successful."

Then your 400 players must have given up since you are spending your time on message boards now, you are not receiving emails for assistance.



7. The casinowebcam video is from a player, not me. I said now Mark cant say I used consistent spins or anything like that... because I'm not spinning the wheel in the video. Think about it Tony.

In your mark section, you wrote that he cannot say anymore that you used dealer signature to win at CWC.
In your email i still have in archive and can forward to everybody, you wrote that the video is from two dealers and that dealer signature is part of it all.
In your website you claim it is a custom variant, so a custom variant can also be based on dealer signature? I thought it was the primordial variant?
LOL.

"Tony, I'll waste no further time with you. You cant handle being wrong, and you dont want to accept you stupidly threw away a wealthy lifestyle.. because that would after all make you look stupid, and you need to refute that for your own ego. You are just a kid, but more immature for other kids your age. Your own stupidity is your own loss. I've come in contact with a lot of people, and besides Mark Howe, you are literally the most immature "adult" I've ever known."


Tell me where i am wrong because all i said is the truth and i honestly do not lie like you. You have not given evidence i was wrong. You say i am immature, a kid etc.. but cannot give arguments.

Also maybe you will explain why you wrote to Forester that his device deals better with human error in timings than your phone and that you were ready to make a deal with Forester to implement his algorythms in your computer while at the same time make posts where you claim his zapper is inaccurate and a shit.
I still have the authentic email to prove it Stefano, i am not like you, when i claim something, i can prove it!. I could pass it to your players, i think they would understand why they cannot make money with your products!.

HAHAHA!

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forester Posted: 13-Feb-08 01:33
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HAHAHA

The biggest HA is when he wrote that strongest point of the FF is dealing with temperature and air pressure adjustments. Only god knows where he found that.
 
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He would say anything to be your friend, meaning less competition because you would have been partners. Stefano is a scammer but a smart one, using social engineering to catch you.
 
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I never questioned his ability for marketing and scamming.
Just look his roulette systems review site.
It is perfect idea, which probobly helped him to acheave many sles.
But only sick mind and somone shameless can create something untruthfull as that.

If you visit his RSR click on his GW system, it will take you to his GW page, click on his computer it takes you there. But try to click on any other system, wooooo the link doesn’t work, what a coincidance.
LOL
 

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