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Stefano Posted: 11-Feb-08 23:22
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As you may have heard, I recently publicly demonstrated my roulette computers and various techniques to beat roulette (videos of the event to be released soon). Shortly following the demonstrations, my remaining older stock of my roulette computers were purchased. So now I'm no longer selling roulette computers, and am instead focusing on actual application. I apologize if you were interested but missed out, although I did give ample notice.

I'm looking for serious players interested in a profit split arrangement for roulette computer application. The opportunity is risk-free and wont cost you anything, although there are of course specific requirements. I'm not looking for just anyone - I'm after serious and honest teams who understand and respect the potential.

This of course doesn't affect my current computer users - they are the fortunate players who keep 100% of their winnings. Any new players don't need to make the US$5000 investment for the technology, but they pay me 50% of their winnings. My computers now cannot be obtained any other way.

If anyone is interested, please contact me via http://www.genuinewinner.com/contact.htm

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE DON'T ASK THEM HERE AS I MAY MISS YOUR QUESTIONS. INSTEAD, PLEASE CONTACT ME DIRECTLY.

More details about my roulette computer technology are at http://www.roulettecomputers.com and http://www.hybridroulettecomputer.com

Best Regards,

Stefano Hourmouzis
+61 3 9737 6422 (Australia, +10 GMT, 9am-5pm, Mon-Fri)

PS - As per my schedule at http://stefanohourmouzis.blogspot.com, please be patient with my responses and reaching me via phone. A few weeks after my child's birth, my response times will gradually return to normal.

PPS - Although Ive ceased roulette computer sales, I still sell my "system" (not the computers) publicly (see http://www.genuinewinner.com/main.htm) although soon I wont accept new players for it either. When system sales cease, I will not be offering system profit split arrangements for it. This doesn't mean the methods aren't effective, because indeed many players have earned hundreds of thousands - it is merely that for my time invested in training teams, my roulette computer teams are more productive, so I prefer to focus on just them while maintaining/supporting my current base of system players.

PPPS - Of course there are people that will post here claiming I'm a fraud etc. - they're just competitors and clowns that don't know better or have something to lose. Do your own research and draw your own conclusions. This is a serious and 100% risk-free opportunity. You never pay me a cent except from winnings.

[Edited by Stefano on 12-Feb-08 00:36]
 
forester Posted: 12-Feb-08 00:28
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After disaster at previous thread
http://www.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&act
ion=opentopic&topic=193&forum=Gambling_Tools


you start new one.

Are you so desperate to get attention?

I think you are, however regardless of everything, I have simple question for you.
Few months ago when Barnett bought my FF (with reasonable price) for independent testing you refused to supply old $50 phone. Instead of that you continue writing self reviews.
Now you want to give it for “free”. Why?

Send me one, you know that I play a lot and if it is better than my FF I will use it.
But if it still works as your previous phones do not worry about it. I do not need it.

After all my research on mobile phones and working together with developers I do not believe that prediction is possible if program is running on mobile phone platform.
On top of that you are still losing 1.5 sec to call audio files, but that can be fixed if you find better programmer.

I think even Barnett wouldn’t mind to get one under that conditions so at least you can get single independent review. As you now, earlier he refused invest any money on your computer simply because he thought it is pointless.

Further more I will advertise you to all my players from all parts of the world.
You know that they play so you shouldn’t have problem to supply them with computer.

If they are happy I will not have need for audio development we all will use your phone.
Am I nice as I always was. Just do not screw up something again and after explain it as Forester doesn’t like you because he is competitor.
 
Strip Crusher Posted: 12-Feb-08 02:50
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Stefano...your site is a little jumbled and I don't know where I was supposed to contact you with regards to this offer.

A couple of questions...

Is there any outlay what so ever for the player in order to recieve your device?

What will the player actually receive?

Is there any restrictions to who can recieve the offer eg. One in each country / state...

How long has the player got use of the device prior to payments being made?

What bank roll will the player have to use and what payment return would you expect? eg. Play 1 hour, win $200, send you $100.

And finally the most important question how many ball revolutions to touch down will the player start to place their main bets?

Thank you for your time...

[Edited by Strip Crusher on 12-Feb-08 03:51]
 
Bago Posted: 12-Feb-08 09:36
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Lol Forester, you are very exposed now:

"Send me one, you know that I play a lot and if it is better than my FF I will use it."

I thought you had his phone and you already tested it! Do you remember the 500$ bet? Now you cry to have his shit!

OMG, scammers are stupids.
 
Stefano Posted: 12-Feb-08 15:02
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LOL Forester even when my computer doesn't cost a cent, you still attack me. Is that desperation or what? This is getting amusing. Don't you get it? Your lies can't harm me anymore. I'm not your competitor anymore. I'm not selling computers anymore. Say whatever you want. Go tell everyone about my zero dollar scam that will cost players thousands and thousands.

FORESTER:

You ask WHY I didn't supply a phone to Barnett? Because he's a casino consultant you knob. He helps casinos. When I called him to investigate whether or not I want him to review my computers, I asked him repeatedly why he was doing it, and what was in it for him. After fumbling, he eventually said "it helps me do my job better". What's his job, Miro? Why on Earth would I want to help him? To boost sales? Sure, but at what expense?... No Miro, that's what you tried to do because you are only a seller. In effect though you only embarrassed yourself with Barnett agreeing with me about your zap method. I dont give a shit if Barnett can buy my computer secretly, that doesn't mean I'll directly help the clown. Wooo you say Barnett knows his stuff, yet you say the zap is best. Wooo he tested on tilted wheels and found you can measure drop time. But not enough predictions to make further testing worthwhile. By falling for Barnett's call to "stand up and be counted", you took the promotional option, I took the real player option. But I invited Barnett to my conference, where he can see a basic demo rather than pull apart my technology. But I'll tell you Barnett is not the pro he claims to be. He has good overall knowledge of the gaming industry, but he still has a lot to learn in particularly about roulette. The best computer he's come out with is basically a countdown timer for tilted wheels. I could literally code such a computer in under 30 mins. Why do you think he wanted to test other computers? So he can steal ideas.

And the phone is about $500 including mods, not $50. If you know where I can get them for $50, by all means let me know. And Bago the phone was not secondhand you moron, the dust was from the cardboard which was cut to accommodate additional components.

Forester, you ask WHY is my phone now free to players? Because now players pay me a profit split. I thought even you would understand this.

No Forester, I'm not going to send you a phone. You are not trustworthy. You are desperate to harm me. Nobody but you and I here knows how far you've gone to try and harm me. You and your vic friend.. I can't wait.

If a player wants to use beeps/zaps instead of audio files, they just set my computer to beep X seconds before ball fall time. Wooo that was hard. Wooo (love that word). But what idiot will choose that option instead of just being told the actual number. You wish your computer spoke. Thats why you are trying to make it speak, right? But for now you'll lie claiming a pathetic zap is best.

You will soon see my computer predicting the same spin and doing the 4 diamond test. Woooo that will be fun.

Your zapper previously dealt better with errors in clicking, and wooo I openly said that. Big revelation there. It was because my algorithms were built for precise timings for the hybrid where there aren't errors. I'm not going to tell you why this is so, because that might help you. When I sent you that email, you ran around like a child telling everyone what I said... but you didn't tell anyone about the email that soon followed it explaining my standard computer now has an algorithm that perfectly deals with errors better than your computer. No it wouldn't suit you to tell people about that. Your computer is limited to sample X number of revolutions to make a calculation, whereas with my computer, the user can modify the accuracy settings to adapt to the specific wheel and conditions. You think you can use just one universal setting for one wheel? No Miro, your computer models basic ball deceleration then zaps, thats all. And that's superior?

And I never said your algorithms were better. I said each of our algorithms have strong and weak points, but overall my algorithms are better. I said if we partnered, we would collaborate to improve both our technology. Your progress to improve your technology is very slow. My computers have improved vastly in relatively short time because I have full time developers. You went around twisting my words like a child. I could pull apart your algorithms and tell you exactly what's wrong with them, but why help you? One thing you already know though, what happens if predictions are early where they often need to be? I'll tell you what:

1. You cant possibly see the number under the zap (ball way too fast), that's assumgin you can actually see the ball at zap time.

2. Variation in wheel rotor speed between spins will be devastating to your algorithm's accuracy.

Your 4 diamond test is NOT a true indicator of accuracy, especially with your computer because it doesnt model the wheel correctly. On a 4 diamond test, the wheel is the same speed. But factor in variation of wheel speed, and your algorithms are quite pathetic. I'm not even taking into account other things like failure to deal with semi-tilted wheels. I've said it before and will say it again: overall your algorithms are "ok". But they are seriously lacking crucial elements.

If you want to advertise my offer for free computers, that would be appreciated. Maybe you aren't such a bad guy after all...

STRIP CRUSHER:

Contact via www.genuinewinner.com/contact.htm

There is no outlay whatsoever. Not one cent. Nothing. Not even shipping.

The player gets everything. Two player setup (required for serious play), invisible earpieces (2), induction loops (2), practice dvds, custom switches to their liking, basically the works. It is a partnership, not a sale.

A player can take as long as they want, but I keep in close contact with them. If I'm not happy with their progress, I stop giving codes and request the computer be returned. Its part of the contract.

Bankroll can be whatever as long as it's not $0.50 units etc.

As for how early predictions are made, that depends wholly on the wheel. On some wheels, accurate predictions can be around 10-12 seconds before ball fall, on some only about 3-4 seconds.

PS - WOOOO. You are a clown Forester.
 
forester Posted: 12-Feb-08 17:27
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Bago stop it,
You only missed one sentence.
“Send me one, you know that I play a lot and if it is better than my FF I will use it.
But if it still works as your previous phones do not worry about it. I do not need it.”
And the bet was do I know not did I buy or did I use?


Stefano what to say, me and all people who bought the FF can’t have your computer.
Woo all people who play world wide exist just to talk bad about you. If your phone can predict I am offering you all users of ff even I would use it. Practically I wouldn’t have need for further development. And of course if I am using your phone and all FF users it would be only positive review for you. I can see that you only running away from the deal.

In regards to Barnett, if you do not want him to know about effectiveness of your computer why you did invite him to conference which doesn’t exist. As in usual you can only talk and never prove anything. Maybe his computer is simple but at least it does job what he describes, and defiantly he did make money with it.

“Your lies can't harm me anymore. I'm not your competitor anymore. I'm not selling computers anymore. Say whatever you want. Go tell everyone about my zero dollar scam that will cost players thousands and thousands.”

Do not be pathetic, I never consider anybody as competitor because I never care for computer sale. Can’t you understand that I am selling the FF for 10x lower price and it takes me a lot to build it and to assemble it in the box? As you should know the FF is custom made. I do not make profits as you do with sales. So it is obvious in whose interest is to sell and to discredit the others.

Since you are not worried for what I could say, why you running away and refusing to send computer. Your phone can be blocked so why to worry. And which idiot would have phone, see how great it is then talk bad about it and get it blocked. On the end it is not only me but many other players who already using the FF. They all would use your computer if it is good. Why they would protect the FF, their interest is to use something to get the best advantage. They do not care who made it.




”No Forester, I'm not going to send you a phone. You are not trustworthy. You are desperate to harm me. Nobody but you and I here knows how far you've gone to try and harm me. You and your vic friend.. I can't wait.”

Stefano my player’s only need the best system, same as me. Do not be paranoid. Just above you stated how I can’t harm you any more, now you write that people world wide that use the FF just waiting for that. Can you pick up yourself?

“But for now you'll lie claiming a pathetic zap is best.”

Yes it is, for me and many others zap is the best. Because with zap the system can be very faxable. (I will list main advantages, fast, nothing extra is needed to play both ball directions, clocking of the wheel and the ball can be at any position and each time it can be different, save in accuracy for some rotor calculations, compact). Hearing aid’s most advantage is if someone wants to use it for team play.

”You will soon see my computer predicting the same spin and doing the 4 diamond test. Woooo that will be fun. “

I thought you already made video of that and I have seen it.
The problem is that it was so stupid scam so you removed it. Why would you now promise that I will see it again? Did you improve in your scamming techniques or you improved the phone? If you improved the phone there is nothing to worry about.


”Your zapper previously dealt better with errors in clicking, and wooo I openly said that. Big revelation there. It was because my algorithms were built for precise timings for the hybrid where there aren't errors. I'm not going to tell you why this is so, because that might help you. When I sent you that email, you ran around like a child telling everyone what I said...”

No Stefano I did not run around, I forward that email only to Bago so he can understand how much you were manipulating him. I did not twist your words I forwarded all email. No Stefano at your false review site you described the FF as simple timer. Then you claimed it can’t produce any advantage on leveled wheel.
Then you made video to discredit it and to make it look as unpractical but you showed 21 spin predicted with 1;15 hit rate. Good side of FF is that simply you can’t get wrong prediction. Only after Barnett’s review you slightly changed it still taking his sentences out of context trying the present it the worst way.


But you didn't tell anyone about the email that soon followed it explaining my standard computer now has an algorithm that perfectly deals with errors better than your computer.

Sure sure it does……Stefano simply there is nothing much more that can be done in accuracy of roulette prediction then what FF is doing.


“No it wouldn't suit you to tell people about that. Your computer is limited to sample X number of revolutions to make a calculation, whereas with my computer, the user can modify the accuracy settings to adapt to the specific wheel and conditions. You think you can use just one universal setting for one wheel? No Miro, your computer models basic ball deceleration then zaps, thats all. And that's superior?”


Stefano the FF learns every wheel from players clocking by it self, there is no need for adjustments.

If you want to advertise my offer for free computers, that would be appreciated.

Yes I already did, but you running away again under all kind of excuses to not deliver promised.

“ Maybe you aren't such a bad guy after all...”

And I never was bad guy.
Even now I am trying to help you. All I asked for is $50 phone loaded with software. And I told you that long time ago, if you think that you improved your phone just do it and I will test it. If it is ok I will use it, recommend it or whatever.


You can talk as much as you want giving sweetest promises, but you still did not refund 6 people who bought your computer. You were asking for names of all 6 of them simply to block their phones. When I gave you one name that was what you did. But publicly you made web page about that case with most dishonest information.

I really think that you are desperate to get some attention.

Someone sent me an email telling me that STRIP CRUSHER is Stefano.
Wooooo ,


 
Stefano Posted: 12-Feb-08 18:49
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WOOOOOOOOOOOO I'm done correcting you. I was referring to the conference video where 15 others did the 4 diamond test, but I have something extra for you too soon. Your ignorance doesn't make any difference. But I wish you all the best, really. You are most certainly a dickhead, one of many here, but I will accept your apology later, although I don't think you'd have the balls to apologize (too much pride). Take care my friend. Same to you Mark, and your multiple identities, and of course you Bago. Let's all be friends and hold hands... or perhaps not.

On another note, does anyone have call of duty 4? It's pretty good isn't it? I've almost reached 3rd prestige.
 
forester Posted: 12-Feb-08 19:32
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As expected, talk talk and more talk with only empty promises.

First promising free to test roulette computer, then avoiding delivering it.
On the end it will be again “Forester hates me” it is because he has different roulette computer.

I am only wondering how far someone can go with his madness and scam.

I did nothing to you I only asked you to supply computers to me and few of my players.
It was your proposal and we all are ready and we play roulette a lot. If it shows good we will replace all FF’s with your computer and of course pay you because if we do not you will block the phone. Even if I am arrogant as you describe the others wouldn’t be. They are players from all over the world and definitely they wouldn’t be stupid to refuse phone if it is good simply to discredit you. So do not use childish excuses.

You simply couldn’t stand Mark’s proposal to supply phone at cost price so you run in to complete madness.

You can’t refund 6 players who previously bought your phone and now using the FF.

But you still want to scam people.

Can you provide me link at your site where it says that computers are for free.
I want to help you and direct players there.

I couldn’t find it at your site.

Please do not tell me that you talking about something here and still advertising computers for sale at your site.

It is obvious that after your first scamming post Mark and Bago screwed you completely, so you come up with idea of free roulette computer as an excuse without any intention to deliver it.
Is next your new page page how you do it only to selected people (about which only you will write and know) and all the others will be on waiting list as for your GW system? But if they want they still can buy it. Probably now you will give it for much less price just to get some money since you look very desperate.
 
Stefano Posted: 12-Feb-08 20:25
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If you are serious about you and your players using my computers for profit split, call me. I dont want to SELL computers, I want profit split players. I sure as hell am serious, but last time I tried to arrange this, you backed out telling me you were too small time. Call me: 03 9737 6422 - stop your bullshit posts, and call me if you are serious so we can get this started. I've have had profit split players for some time now, and was just selling the remaining older stock, which is now sold.

Also exactly which spin do you use for testing your computer (different diamond test). I have Gordon's 8 DVDs. I'll do the same test and release a video of it. The computer will never be moved from the screen.

Also check www.roulettecomputers.com now. Do you get it yet that I'm not stuffing around?? Are you actually going to call? Or are you going to find more excuses?

[Edited by Stefano on 12-Feb-08 22:05]
 
forester Posted: 12-Feb-08 21:41
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You know where you need to send $50 phone, I will not complain if it was used.

Pobox7486
GCMC 9726

That is regarding me, but some players will probably contact you for themselves.
It has nothing to do with me.

Most of them do not believe in your stories but they may still call since it is free.

If your program is same as before save yourself time, I do not want it.

I am not calling you until you refund money to Croatian guy. Because that is very important issue for me. Poor guy get phone locked even he never talked with me.


Single spin test should applicable to any spin, you do not need any special spin for that.
I understand your computer can’t learn from spins, but if everything else is set correct it still should predict within few numbers accuracy.

Long time ago when problems started and after your emails. All I asked for was $50 phone. I even told you if I find it unsutible I will return it without any public comments.
Now I say same if you have something better I do not mind to use it at all.

Whatever you were writing about me is coming back at you. Many people simply do not care but many understand it better and better every day, Still you are the one who should know the best how much it was untruthfull and unjustified.

After all I think it is good enough from me to accept to test your phone and if it works put my word behind it. If I am really after system sales I would simply ignore you.

It is very simple, your phone did not work, and for that you are classified as scammer, same as for previous scam when you were jailed. If you think it is better or perfect now, I do not mind to test it or to even use it. That would instantly bring you many good players.

You can talk publicly whatever you want about me, but you definitely know that I do not B/S. Croatian guy exits same as all the others asked for refund, your computer couldn’t pass even basic test. So why after all should I believe you now that it is improved.
I do not have your latest change but one is still obvious. You losing more then one sec in calling audio files. Someone who understands roulette prediction would never tolerate it.
Even Mark Howe doesnt have problem understanding that.

Forester
www.myrulet.com
where the ball stops


[Edited by forester on 12-Feb-08 22:44]
 
Stefano Posted: 12-Feb-08 23:10
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You have no idea what you're talking about and I'm done correcting you. Stop making excuses. Call me. You claim to be a serious player and can't even call me? 03 9737 6422

And I know any spin can be used to test (providing it is reasonable), but I want to send you a video specifically with the spin YOU use so we can compare results. Let's just see how "junky" my computer is. I'll also show you the settings with the BEEP so you can see this is accurate too, since you claim voice is inferior (I'll send voice and beep versions). And let me know any requirements to confirm authenticity. Fair enough?

As for the Croatian, I can easily reactivate his phone and give him the latest version. If you're that serious about all this, call me.

[Edited by Stefano on 13-Feb-08 01:10]
 
forester Posted: 13-Feb-08 01:28
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What does phone chatting has to do with roulette play.

I simply don’t feel comfortable chatting with you when I know what you are doing and all rubbish you wrote about me. Can’t you understand, while I was trying to help Croatian guy to get at least 50% money back you were making web pages how it is not truth and how he never asked for refund trying to make me as dishonest person explaining it as competitor. You even sent me an email how he is now happy guy because it was misunderstanding. You can’t make friendship with me until you have that attitude. I did not see any sign of improvement so why would I talk with you. I can hear only empty promises from you.

If you have something to show, then shows me.
If you have new program you already should send it to people to upgrade and even apology to them.

I went with FF over your latest demo.
While the FF predicts accurately all spins you are far out.
But definitely your video this time looks more convincing then previous or video that you supply with computer. For someone with skill your previous videos were actually prove how bad your computer is. So did you improve computer or you made new video more carefully to not repeat same mistakes as before.

Do as you wish, but I really do not have any intention of chatting with you until you refund Croatian guy or send the phone.
 
Stefano Posted: 13-Feb-08 02:44
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Nothing but excuses and more bullshit from you. If you are too embarrassed to chat, too bad for you.
 
Strip Crusher Posted: 13-Feb-08 04:05
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Thank you for what sounds like a good offer.

I like the way you have just beaten your opponent into a corner...quite funny

Forester be a man and give him a call...LOL

I will have a trip to my local casino and see if they are still allowing time for late bets if 10 seconds would be the minimum requirement.

I would be playing $5 chips for starters...what bank would I require and what target would you set me?

Thank you.
 
forester Posted: 13-Feb-08 04:37
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What for?
I don’t need anything from him. I am sick of listening his rubbish.

Just look, here he admits that I gave him name of Croatian guy but he still has a web page about me where he claims that it isn’t truth and that I do it just to discredit him as competitor. Can normal person do something as that?

If I call him he will report me for abuse or whatever. I simply do not trust him. And I do not want to think what he wants with his chat. Is he lonely or what?

If he wants me to test his computer I offered my service, if I like it I may even use it.
If not I simply do not care.

Now at least you know that promised 200% money back at Stefano’s page is simple scammer’s strategy. Bago is the luckiest man but he fight hard to get his money back.

If you walk down the road and you see someones sh.. Do not touch it because if you do, it will only stink more.




[Edited by forester on 13-Feb-08 07:10]
 
Bago Posted: 13-Feb-08 09:02
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Stefano and Forester, you should be friends because you both belong to the same clan= the Scammers.

You two advertise your devices as effective on level wheels but my friends, saying a computer with a hand/toe switch is effective on level wheels is a big lie, a scientific/mathematical contradiction.

Indeed from spin to spin, the deceleration scheme of the ball IS NOT the same everytime. Both of you calculates the outcome with a single scheme, which is inaccurate.

But the important thing is: a difference of 40 ms means the ball travelling 1/4 - 1/2 extra revolution at the end of the spin, on a level wheel.

So, could you explain, how a computer needing datas calculated from HAND/TOE CLICKS WHICH ARE INACCURATE, AT LEAST TO THE POINT OF BEING PRECISE TO 40 MS, CAN PREDICT THE RIGHT FALL OFF TIME AND AREA OF THE BALL!

YOU ARE JOKES AND SCAMMERS.
 
Stefano Posted: 13-Feb-08 13:34
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I don't understand how you can be so wrong so many times. Once again I'll correct you. This time about your algorithm's capacity to deal with air pressure and ball deceleration changes. You use multiple spins, revolutions and clicks to learn whats happening. You learn dynamically over spins during play. So woooo, your device is correctly doing the first part of dealing with ball deceleration rate changes. It doesn't do the other components though. You didn't know this, and you call yourself a professional? It doesnt change your zap though and the other problems with your algorithm.

My last contact with the Croatian was me saying "before giving you an activation code, I want to discuss you and Forester". Guess what, he didn't even respond. Is it a Croatian cowardice gene you both share? It is the same lack of response whenever I asked him if he needed help, even after I knew he broke the contracts. He never asked for a refund, never. All I got from him was new code requests every month. No complaints, no feedback, nothing. And you say I banned him for trying to get help?... from who? Certainly not me. Like I said, he broke the contracts and got what he should have expected.

Now let's focus, because you are a little trapped here and trying to divert with all kinds of crap..... And you very well know you are trapped, but post words acting like I'm the one trapped here? Hmm thats quite pathetic. Anyone actually following issues here would see through you.

Why are you doing everything possible to avoid being embarrassed further? Why wont you give specific requirements for a video with your different diamond test that would form acceptable proof? I wonder... because it would embarrass you. So many times it's happened.

You have no backbone Forester, no balls, and cry like a little girl. You cant even call me, even when it means reactivating the Croatian's phone, which you say is just so important to you.

All I want from you is:

1. Detailed specifications and requirements of a video doing your different diamond test. I'll create a video according to these specs, and release it - it will be both beep and voice predictions so you cant cry about your computer not speaking (and claiming zaps are best). Then you'll be cornered yet again, because truth is so much easier to prove than lies. But the truth doesn't make a difference to you, does it? It doesn't suit you. So you try and avoid it. If the truth hurts too much for you, thats too bad.

2. A yes or no you are going to call me or not. For god sake Miro, it's just a call. Are you afraid I'm going to raise issues that will embarrass you? You have already busted your arse to try and harm me, and you are stupid enough to send computers to Barnett, and you expect I'll just send you my technology without even a chat on the phone? Yes you have rocks in your head.

I'm really not asking for much, and you are running away like a coward. I only want a call from you, and to prove my claims to you with a simple video - woooo I'm asking for HEAPS arent I? Especially with # 1 above, you go on and on about how you are honest and truth matters to you.

And Bago, my computer has an optional beep for when the ball falls. This is part of testing the algorithms, and it enables the player to see exactly how accurate the computer is on each spin. You say it's impossible, the beep says otherwise. The beep is right on time, every time. You dont know anything about computers and whats possible and not possible. You should also keep in mind that to obtain an edge of any kind, you only need to predict the correct side the ball "falls" at least 51% of the time. That's not enough to overcome the house edge though. But a good computer should predict it almost 100% of the time, and thats exactly what the beep with my computer reflects. The rest of it is scatter, which includes dealing with different wheel speeds, as my computers do. Forester's and Howe's (and indeed everyone other computer I've seen) just assumes the wheel is the same speed, and get much greater scatter, and a much lower edge. I'm quite sick of correcting you too Bago.
 
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“My last contact with the Croatian was me saying "before giving you an activation code, I want to discuss you and Forester".

No Stefano, he call you for refund and you replayed that you are not buying back used phones and that you are sorry because you are not closer to help him. Anyway you shouldn’t blackmail people. You can’t force people to talk about me. You were the one who abused him for giving computer for testing to guy associated to RIT’z team. If people who could win $3,000,000 for one weekend say that your computer is rubbish, do I need to say anything else.

Because you are full of rubbish and continuously dishonest I do not have intention to chat with you.

Yes the FF is very dinamic system. It learns from the ball but it has nothing to do with temperature or air pressure. It doesn’t use any devices to measutre those parameters. So if temperature changes the FF does nothing. The FF responds only to change of ball parameters and that can be irelavant to air pressure or trmperatuere change.

No Stefano the FF doesn’t asume that rotor is constand, instead precisely calculates any change of rotor speed.

If you thinking that video of Forester’s 4 dimonds test would change anything you are wrong. Based on your previous videos you are scammer same applies for real life test done on yur computer. Therefore I will believe it when I see it. Not on your video but in front of me.

$50 phone is not your technology it is Nokias technology, I asked only for that I do not need your imaginarry system that can predict watching light reflaction from brass objects in casino.

Once more I did not give to Barnett the FF for testing, he bought it. At least he was honest and told me who he is.
Same he can do with your computer but he didn’t, reason for that is obvious. Your computer doesn’t reperesent any thret to casinos and the FF does.

You can’t black mail me or play games as you like to do with naïve people that you manage to scam. I do not need anything from you. You advertised free phone and I want one. In your advertisement there was no “conditions apply”, “if you are Forester you must have phone chat with me”

So if you refund Croatian guy or if you send phone I may consider calling you but until then I prefater to chat with normal people.

@Bago

You did have Stefanos computer, you can know does it work or not but you can’t know how program is running.
You never had the FF so please do not comment it because you do not understand it.
Yes the errors may be 40 ms but the FF will corect it in most cases close to zero.
Yes the ball decceleration changes from spin to spin, infact it changes within single rotation as well but the FF is designed to handle it. The FF’s prediction is not based on parameters of one single spin. Just above even Stefano stated it.

That is why the FF is superior roulette system. It uses complatly different dinamic aproach to roulete prediction to acheave such accuracy. Without that even if you manage to insert HA directly in your brain there is no hope.
The FF is not simple timmer as you were describing to people.
It performs more then 100 calculatins in time of less then 1ms.

Look Stefano’s video about FF, it may be hard because he used very weak LED.
Play it in slow motion or wnatever. Ignore fact can you see the ball at time of zap or not. Simply check did the FF predict accuratly or not. And you will find that system very accuratly predicted all 21 spins with hit rate about 1:15. Look my video, every single spin was acuratly predicted.
You can argue haow hard is to notice the ball at the time of zap, but for that you really would need the FF to experience it.
 
Bago Posted: 14-Feb-08 09:23
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Stefano wrote: "And Bago, my computer has an optional beep for when the ball falls. This is part of testing the algorithms, and it enables the player to see exactly how accurate the computer is on each spin. You say it's impossible, the beep says otherwise. The beep is right on time, every time. You dont know anything about computers and whats possible and not possible. You should also keep in mind that to obtain an edge of any kind, you only need to predict the correct side the ball "falls" at least 51% of the time. That's not enough to overcome the house edge though. But a good computer should predict it almost 100% of the time, and thats exactly what the beep with my computer reflects. The rest of it is scatter, which includes dealing with different wheel speeds, as my computers do. Forester's and Howe's (and indeed everyone other computer I've seen) just assumes the wheel is the same speed, and get much greater scatter, and a much lower edge. I'm quite sick of correcting you too Bago."


You are not correcting me at all, you are responding with new lies. I guess i have to quote your PDF document because it is what reflects the TRUTH, certainly not your website full of misleading informations and what you wrote above.

"Be aware that especially with the ball, the computer takes a brief moment to actually make the calculation and this means that the ball beeps will be slightly off target (usually about 90 degrees)"

"Don't place too much emphasis on the prediction of where the ball is predicted to drop because the computer is only effective when tuned, and the tuning is done last."

It is impossible to test accuracy with your poor and badly designed feature because first: The beep that predicts when the ball's falling is way too LONG (BEEEEEEEEEEEP), and secondly, it does not beep when the ball is actually falling, but later, so you just GUESS the prediction is correct.
You are a joke Stefano.

Also a part that i like, proving with no doubt you are not a player, nor a roulette expert, but a scammer and promotor:

"The deceleration rate of one wheel (the actual rotor with pockets, not the ball) is usually not significantly different from that of another wheel. Therefore, the sample data for one wheel can usually be used for another wheel. You should ideally not use any more than TEN values."

STEFANO, IF YOU HAD PLAYED FOR REAL IN A CASINO, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE MENTIONNED THIS STUPIDITY. EVERYONE CAN TEST FOR THEMSELVES UNDER REAL CASINO CONDITIONS THAT TIGHTENING ACCEPTABLE WHEEL SPEEDS TO 10 VALUES OF THE WHEEL'S DECELERATION WOULD GIVE YOU AROUND 1 PREDICTION EVERY 20 SPINS. THAT MEANS 2 PREDICTIONS EACH HOUR OF PLAYING IN A REAL CASINO! AND THEN YOU DARE TO CLAIM YOUR PLAYERS ARE CONSISTENTLY WINNING 5,000$ EVERY MONTHS WITH YOUR PRODUCT!
WHAT A FUCKING SCAMMER YOU ARE!.
Example if you want to play a wheel 3sec/rev. You have to enter those values: 3000ms-3000-3033-3033-3100-3100-3167-3167-3200-3267ms.

In other words, following Stefano's the roulette expert instructions, we would receive "risk" everytime the wheel speed is out of this range, and i can testify again that you would receive 1 prediction every 15-20 spins MAXIMUM in the real Casino environment.

Now, i advise you Stefano to stop trying to make people believe you are an honest man whereas you are all the contrary, and i can easily prove it.



@Forester

"You did have Stefanos computer, you can know does it work or not but you can’t know how program is running.
You never had the FF so please do not comment it because you do not understand it."

I know both of your device needs clicks done manually to clock the wheel and ball, and only this feature gives me the certainty that both devices cannot beat level wheels.

"Yes the errors may be 40 ms but the FF will corect it in most cases close to zero."

This is impossible. All you do is calculating averages from different spins, but my friend, it does not tell you if the 4th revolution was actually running at 1,50sec/rev OR 1,54sec/rev ON A PARTICULAR SPIN, and THAT SMALL DIFFERENCE IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW WITH HAND CLICKS MAKES THE BALL TRAVELS 1/4 - 1/2 ROUND MORE.
YOUR DEVICE, NOR STEFANO'S CAN PREDICT THAT, SO THEY ARE INACCURATE ON LEVEL WHEELS.



[Edited by Bago on 14-Feb-08 10:31]
 
Stefano Posted: 14-Feb-08 15:15
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As expected, nothing but poor excuses and more diversionary rubbish from a cornered clown. I knew you would run and hide like a coward Zirdum. Many times I even invited you to visit and you ran every time making excuses. I even told you I would give you an address on the phone but you ran from a simple 2 second call. I wont bother correcting you anymore, because you are doing everything possible to run from the truth to save yourself further embarrassment, instead of facing it head-on like an adult. If you were only interested in truth, dealing with you would be easy. But it's not. You are deliberately making it impossible, and gee I wonder why.. It's not necessarily ignorance, it's called running scared without any balls. And Tony, the bottom line is you're just a stupid kid that doesn't know any better, and I wont bother correcting you again either. You did the harm to yourself and threw away wealth. You sure know heeaaps about my computer. Like I said, not my loss. You are desperate to be right and stomping your feet like children do. If you both cry now, I can't wait for later when you see the public demo video or the documentary on tv. I wont bother with this further. Good luck to you both.
 
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Bago, you were here 2 years ago. And that was exactly what I was believeing at that time so I can’t blame you for your opinion.

If i couldn’t solve manual ball clocking problem at the start of development I would never work on the project to come to IQE6 level.

As I said look stefanos demo of the FF (he definitly wouldn’t make it better then what it is), look my video.
Actualy on my video you can see and last zap (LED) when the ball is due to hit the rotor. And it is very accurate.

The FF still doesn’t produce miracles results, but it will produce advantage on most wheels if prediction is done 6 or less rotations to the end. The FF can be set so it targets particular time of prediction. Prediction can be set and to earlier then 6 rotations but I found it not very accurate. At that time reasons what you were describing coming to efect results more and more. Predicting at 4th rotation results would be very accurate.

Stefano’s wheel timmings are very stupid. But all his aproach to roulette prediction is wrong.


Yes, Stefano your computer is not worth 2 sec. of phone call.

I have nothing to talk about with person who scammed so many people.
You still did not refund Croatian guy, but you still have page promising 200% refund.

You twisted every single word that I exchanged with you. It is not truth that I did not want to meet you personally. I did, and I told you that I want to come with 6 mobile phones for refund. But you gave me wrong address. I asked you can my friend who lives close to you come to your office but your office did not exist. However you still use that address to scam people from overseas pretending to have office.

I think Mark Howe with his offer of mobile phone at cost price pushed you to the edge of madness.
You are the one who promised mobile phone for free to players, and now making additional conditions and excuses. If you are skeptical am I roulette player or not you should consider visiting mental hospital.



[Edited by forester on 14-Feb-08 18:40]
 
Stefano Posted: 14-Feb-08 19:04
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I told you why I didn't give you my new office address. You know why, so don't play stupid.

I will book a conference room at:

398 Melrose Drive,
Tullamarine, Victoria,
Australia, 3043
www.cilomslodge.com.au

Return the 6 phones. I'll be able to see who they are from.

What date suits you? In April is best for me. When we agree on a date, I'll book the venue, then you can confirm the booking with the venue and book your flight. No excuses, no crying from you, let's do this.

If my demonstration to you is unsuccessful, I will give all 6 players a 200% refund. I'll even do your different diamond test. I will have a cheque made out to Miro Zirdum for the equivalent of US$60,000.

Bring your best computer to apply on the same spins. If your computer beats my results, I will pay you extra.

WOOOOOOOO here's your opportunity Miro. Don't back out. If you think I'm not serious about this, try me.
 
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Almost forgot, do you drink tea or coffee? I can book to make it available throughout our meeting. Don't worry I wont instruct the staff to spit in it. It'll be enough satisfaction to see the look in your face anyway. woooo.
 
forester Posted: 14-Feb-08 20:07
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Stefano, I am not stupid to collect phones from people who are all over the world because of your empty promises. I tried once and because of your manipulations it ended as disaster.

If you want to return money then start with person you already have name.
You can’t convince me or anybody else that Croatian guy is happier with blocked phone then with 200% refund. What is next as your rubbish excuses, maybe how you updated his software and how he is happy now, to make it better he is probably buying your $100,000 system as well?

Yes you told me reason that Mark Howe wants to kill you and that you have 24 hr armed security to protect you.

Whatever your reason is you did not give me the address and I couldn’t do anything but that still did not stop you to write how I refused to come. You were insisting on names, I gave you one name and I instead of refunding money you blocked his phone.

Don’t you remember that year ago you did the same. Invited me for conference 300 km from Melbourne in middle of nowhere. That conference never happened. Same as the other one scheduled for middle of 2007, also the last one was canceled.

I think I am having problem here, trying to prove to pathological liar that he is lier.

It is very simple.
I do not need promises I do not need conditions and excuses.

1…If you can stand behind your word to give free phone to players and if you believe that I am roulette player then send me one. If you have problem believing that I am roulette player you need help and visit hospital.

2…If you providing refund then do it. I am not going to give you any more names until you refund Croatian guy. After that we can talk as much as you want.

Oh yes I have and few of yours GW systems with original names of purchasers. I have paid for them just to help people after you made them lose.
Do you mind to refund them as well?

 
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You were put into a corner, and you run and hide like a little child making pathetic excuses and telling fibs, exactly as I said you would. Why run?.. What are you scared of?.. The truth? Yes the truth makes you look like an utter fool, so of course you'll do ANYTHING to avoid further embarrassment. What a pathetic coward and liar you are. I've made my point.
 
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Yes I am corrnered

Ok you did not offer free phone, it was my imagination.

And you didn’t admit that instead of refund you actually blocked his phone.
 
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@STEFANO
1.) Be a man and refund money to Croatian guy (who ever this guy is)! You promised something, so keep a word.

2.) If you think that you are better than Mark is (I doubt this very much) then I will ask you to send ME your the best computer for testing to see how good you are or all above your talking is BS!!

And I do not need a switch or any hearing aid, just a mobil phone with your best software (and it even can be used one)!
 
forester Posted: 15-Feb-08 16:36
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Lol, you know when you’ll get free phone from Stefano.

NEVER

He can only talk and promise and that’s about it.
 
Franki Posted: 16-Feb-08 04:29
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Hey STEFANO

No reply from you?!?

So you were BSing and lying here, AGAIN!

And YOU wanted to compete with Mark???
Geez, Greek go home!! LOL

 
Stefano Posted: 17-Feb-08 15:38
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Forester, I was talking about the return of the 6 phantom phones. You run and hide as expected. You've been bitching & moaning about them for how long now? And when you get exactly what you want, again, you run and hide, again. Why? Could it be that you are lying?

Franki (mark), as I said, "I'm looking for serious players interested in a profit split arrangement for roulette computer application. The opportunity is risk-free and wont cost you anything, although there are of course specific requirements. I'm not looking for just anyone - I'm after serious and honest teams who understand and respect the potential."

Taking someone seriously starts with AT LEAST a phone call to get to know them. I dont like to deal with partners via impersonal text. My number is +61 3 9737 6422. Same goes for you Forester. All you've done is desperately try to harm me. If you think I'll just send a free computer to you or Howe without even first at least repairing the situation in an adult manner, you have rocks in your head. If you choose to hide behind text posts instead of speaking like an adult, stay in front of your TV with the DVD remote.

Franki (Mark), as for the Croatian guy, the clown broke the contracts and got exactly what I promised - blocked access. It was his fault for breaking the contracts, and Forester's fault for opening his mouth about the breach for his bet with Bago, although Forester got the wrong answer anyway and refused to pay Bago. This is why Forester is desperate to get the phone unblocked - he feels responsible for screwing over his friend.

The profit split arrangement is something I've been doing for some time, except only to people I trust. Do I trust people obsessed with harming me and don't even have the balls to call me? Ah, no.

If you guys want to waste your days on forums, go right ahead. If you want to be considered for a profit split arrangement, at least have the balls and decency to call me then I'll start taking you more seriously. But if you want to communicate with me, don't do it here - email or call me. Dont expect me to waste time here. You have my contact details.

PS - Forester, I'm in contact with a few of your players. I'll speak to them via phone soon. At least they have the balls to make a simple call. If they were so happy with your junk, they wouldn't have bothered.
 
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Yes about 6 computers and you asked for names of all 6 users I gave you one name and you blocked his phone claiming he broke the contract. So it couldn’t be that I am lying.

Stefano you really going in to some mental problems.

First you see as correct blocking Croatian guys phone instead of refunding him.
Then you made most dishonest statement about the bet where everything can be found on this forum. Or perhaps you trying to bring touchy subject so Bago stops reviewing your phone.

@FISHMAN I would really appreciate if you can once for all stop this clown and his scamming interpretation. Since agreement was that Bago sens to Fishman $500 to get question answered. Fishman never received money or asked me to answer the question.

When I said that your phone is made as a Java game tic tac toe you were the one who panicked and send email to all users wondering who supplied me with information. At that time I did already know that your phone can’t predict but I never wrote about that publically. You are the one who made tens of pages about me trying to discredit me without reason. You are the one who reviewed the FF as timmer at your fraudalmetn RSR site which should be truthful review.
I know how your sccamming brain works. With this you are trying to escape situation by defocusing Bago in his review of your computer.



Frenki is not Mark, be sure in that. Frenki also knows pople who tested your phone. So do not write excuses which you do not deliver. He lives in different country so send him the phone.


No Stefano, I am not going to call you because I know what you want to acheave with that, as you just stated.
“If you think I'll just send a free computer to you or Howe without even first at least REPEARING the situation in an adult manner, you have rocks in your head.”

You want me to remove truth about your computer in exchange for you your empty promies. How nice it would be if everything is washed out and if you can again sell you scam. Well, you are not gong to see it. I do nto negotiate with scammers.

You really live in your fantasy world. Nobody wants to harm you. I was referring all potential buyers to you while I believed that your phone was ok. I start selling the FF when they got disappointed with your computer and GW system.

Of course you are in contact with my players because I made big advertisement and told them to ask you for free phone. So be sure I will know what is going on and can you deliver promised.

 
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1. You never gave a name, and still don't. You only said a "Croatian" and there are 3 Croatian players like I've told you. And my blocking of his phone had nothing to do with release of his name (because it never happened), it came from knowledge that he broke the contract. Is that too hard to understand for you? Besides what on Earth does this matter? You say you want to return the 6 phones, and I gave you everything you need to do that. But you are running. Why? Like I said, because you are lying and know proceeding would give you quite the red face. I suppose I got your computer for free from a "satisfied" player of yours? Hmm. Perhaps your player knew it was junk and didn't want it after seeing my computer? You can only claim you have my computer. But I actually have yours, and have proven it. You've fumbled over the most basic features of my computer and claim you've seen it? In fact you only proved you don't know the first thing about it.

2. You talk about RSR. What about your Angelfire reviews site where you said Forester has the most accurate system and that I'm a fraud etc etc? You now have published a second reviews site. Hmmm. Need I say more? Mark can't talk either with his computer review site.

3. The bet with Bago was about the security password. The answer is 12, not 4 - it was never 4. You lost the bet. It is 100% clear. So what if Bago didn't send fishman $500, that is not the point. It's only a point for a mad Croatian trying to save himself embarrassment. The point is you answered WRONG and proved you are a liar. That was the very purpose of the bet. Do we really need to go into this again? Too bad if you're embarrassed about it.

You run like a coward Forester, but don't worry, soon you'll have nowhere to run to. All truth comes out eventually. You are desperate to have the best computer, for your ego. This is not a contest about who has the biggest penis. I'm not interested in petty wars. I want to apply computers in teams, not sell. I expressed that to both you and Mark more than once, but neither of you are anything more than morons. It is clear you are not a serious player. Not even enough balls for a simple call. I'm over it. Continue talking to yourself.
 
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1 get lost, you even call him and abuse him for getting in contact with Ritz guys and me to help him with phone.

2.
I did not answer question how could I if Bago still did not deposit money. I only said that your phone starts as java tic tac toe game with 3-4 digits code. How rued you were, you took that as an answer trying to discredit me. Even accusing me of losing bet which never was finalized since Bago decided to not go for the bet. You pushed him in to that convincing him that I can’t have idea of your phone. That is why now he made nice description of you and your scamming phone. Stefano Bago is not your friend any more , he had your phone and he calls you a scammer.

3. Really, even he never paid you consider bet valid and my first word written on forum you would take as an answer. So even if I wrote “the day is nice “you would say that is incorrect answer. Get some help Stefano you really put yourself in situation where you losing mind. I was explaining how to start your phone and how it is programmed as java tic tack toe game for kids, it is definitely not the answer to question about how many digits is a code for users to renew program. But in your simple mind it looks as it is.

It is same as when I asked you in which jail did you spend 3 months, so I can find out whose bitch you were. You did not answer even you were in jail. Also I didn’t take your first sentence as an answer. I can read and take full meaning of sentences. You can’t. You can take only what suits you to do your scam.

Again you are totally dishonest not saying everything about the subject but only part that suits you.
You know that angel fire was my first site before then i start using www.myrulet.com
Most of people at GG know that. When I created myrulet site, since old site had good ranking I used it only as a link to all roulette sites.
On the bottom it was signed by me and it was my email. You can’t compare your business of creating false roulette review sites under false names as you do, with that.
Angelfire site was providing only links to most popular forums and roulette sites.

Later on when you already made pages about me I added full description of your character. And information that RSR is not genuine review but biased review, by you to discredit all the others and to promote your GW system and tic tac toe computer.

Mark created his review site much later, probably to give you back for all injustice that you did to him.

No I do not want to call you because I know what you want. For that you need to do something not only to talk and promise. You screwed to many times in your desire to sell your scamming product. There is nothing new in what you currently doing, just trying to escape from situation you created. I know that you will never refund money simply because you can’t afford it. You can’t sell any more computers becauause people aren’t stupid to believe you. There is so much information available that nobody with healthy mind would even consider buying it.

But you are right one thing, as you can see www.myrulet.com this days is very busy and I receive to many emails so I better leave you with your problems. I am sorry I can’t help you and I can’t lose time with you with endless arguments where you are using inacurate statements. Explaining to scammer who for years was scamming people and who spent time in jail, that he is a scammer is not easy at all. Once scammer, always scammer.
Cya



[Edited by forester on 18-Feb-08 00:50]
 
Bago Posted: 18-Feb-08 01:41
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FORESTER WROTE: i did not answer question how could I if Bago still did not deposit money. I only said that your phone starts as java tic tac toe game with 3-4 digits code. How rued you were, you took that as an answer trying to discredit me. Even accusing me of losing bet which never was finalized since Bago decided to not go for the bet. You pushed him in to that convincing him that I can’t have idea of your phone.






forester Posted: 19-Feb-07 22:54

"Hi Fishman,

We will use you as a mediator. I send you 500$, then Forester send you 1000$.
After that, Forester must answer correctly the question about Stefano's computer: "How much digits contains the password you must enter to unlock the software".

Stefano will confirm on this message board or will email you to gives the verdict.

If Forester is correct, you can keep the 500$
If he is not, i will have my money back + 1000$ of his. (i will make a donation though)."

MIRO WROTE: "Stefano’s computer is activated in applications with 4 digit code and it is entered as playing game tic tac toe. It starts as a kids game and that is how it works."

http://www.myrulet.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=1747#
1747


www.myrulet.com
Where the ball stops.


FORESTER, YOU ARE A BIG SCAMMER AND LIAR, OF COURSE IT WAS YOUR ANSWER, YOU REPEAT THE BET I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONNED AND THEN GAVE YOUR ANSWER IN THE SAME POST, SO JUST ADMIT YOU LOST AND THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SENT ME 1000$ LIKE AGREED, BUT WHO SAID SCAMMERS LIKE YOU ARE HONEST?

YOU MADE PLENTY OF POSTS AFTER THIS ONE, WHEREAS I TOLD YOU IMMEDIATELY IT WAS NOT THE CORRECT ANSWER. IF YOU HAD STEFANO'S COMPUTER, YOU WOULD HAVE CORRECTED THE MISTAKE QUICKLY, BUT YOU DID NOT AND WE HAD TO WAIT 2 DAYS (21 FEB 07) TO SEE YOU POSTING THE CORRECT ANSWER YOU GOT FROM A CROATIAN PLAYER.

ALSO IF YOU HAD REALLY HIS PHONE YOU WOULD HAVE MADE A SMALL VIDEOFOOTAGE ENTERING IN THE MENU AND SCROLLING, or A PICTURE LIKE I DID WITH MARK'S PHONE (a picture with his scatter graph).

ALSO WHY DID YOU CRY TO HAVE ONE OF STEFANO'S COMPUTER NOW HE IS SUPPOSED TO OFFER FOR SPLIT MONEY, IT SEEMS YOU ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR ZAPPER IS A JOKE BECAUSE IF IT WAS PRECISE AS LASERS AND SUPER ACCURATE LIKE YOU CLAIM YOU WOULD NOT BOTHER ASKING COMPETITORS TO HAVE THEIR COMPUTER AND SAYING IF IT IS GOOD YOU WILL APPLY IT. SO MUCH CONTRADICTIONS FORESTER, YOU ARE SPOT ON AS A LIAR AND A SCAMMER AND IT CANNOT GIVE ONE DOUBT TO ANYONE NOW.

[Edited by Bago on 18-Feb-08 02:55]
 
forester Posted: 18-Feb-08 03:51
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Loll Bago Stefano wants you to this, he manipulated you so many times to do dirty job for him so once more wouldn’t harm. You act as dirty solder prepared to do any dirt for small money.

Just read what you have written.
"Hi Fishman,

We will use you as a mediator. I send you 500$, then Forester send you 1000$.”


By my knowledge you never sent to Fishman any money. At least he never told me about it. Anybody can ask Fishman. So how I could lose bet?


Instead Stefano just took single sentence from another post where I was describing Stefano’s computer (actually teasing you) as my answer claiming it as wrong.

Let me make something perfectly clear.
First of all I wouldn’t make bet if I did not know the answer.

Next, f I did not know the answer I definitely wouldn’t write wrong answer especially not if bet is not placed and if I do not have to. Does it make any logic to you?

And last, I did know the answer and to shut you up and to show how Stefano is dishonest I wrote it for free. But you and Stefano then claimed how it must be that someone told me. Geeeeeeeeee, ok my grandpa told me so what.
The question was do I know or not.

I appreciate your description of Stefano computer as total scam. But do not let him manipulate you more. On the end it will really turn that you are as he describes you, one little child incompetant to perform proper test.

I believe you because I know all about his computer, but I think average reader really may find you strange.

Forester
www.myrulet.com
 
Bago Posted: 18-Feb-08 04:13
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You contradict yourself, you trie to lie about the bairgain but as you are dishonest, you cannot do it properly.

"By my knowledge you never sent to Fishman any money. At least he never told me about it. Anybody can ask Fishman. So how I could lose bet?"

Because you answered wrongly, 500$ sent or not, the result is THE SAME, that's something you cannot debate idiot.


"And last, I did know the answer and to shut you up and to show how Stefano is dishonest I wrote it for free."

Exact, you answered for free in the post i mentionned, but you were WRONG and you didn't try to correct yourself quickly BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE HIS COMPUTER AND YOU WERE WAITING FOR THE ANSWER 2 DAYS LATER FROM THE CROATIAN PLAYER.


AND FYI, i do not defend Stefano but myself against liars. When Stefano lie, i expose, when you lie, i expose, there is no difference in my behaviour when i am talking to scammers.

It is your behaviour which is not orthodox, you cannot accept being a loser and a scammer, if it is so a problem for you, just find a better life with another job because Roulette is definitely not for you, Barnett just exposed you as a liar in your message board, you can only obtain 31% of predictions with your device, in this % you can also substract the ones where the ball is hidden by the main part of the wheel, what a joke, and you dare presenting your device as the best roulette device ever made. WHAT A JOKE!!!

 
forester Posted: 18-Feb-08 05:02
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So your truth is that I should pay you $1000 even you run away from the bet.
Fishman was waiting for your paiment 3 days.

Your truth is that from anything I write on GG you can take as an answer for specific question.

You truth is that you can imagine and know better then me how I do get all information.

I think you have problem understanding what the truth is.

Did you ever imagine that I am running site with more then 500 members with interest in roulette? And that from those 500 there might be some that have Stefano’s computer.

Well then was few of them and now is many more.

The truth is that to some of them I sent the FF for free. I do nto know maybe one of then was even Stefano just pretending to be someone scamed by him. I don't care.

The truth is that one of them told me how you tried to sell him your VB system and how you told him that you already have the FF roulette computer.

Bago can you stop beaing child. You can’t win the bet if you do not bet.

I leave you now with your old friend Stefano, perhaps you 2 may still have something in common.


[Edited by forester on 18-Feb-08 06:04]
 
Bago Posted: 18-Feb-08 09:30
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If i can afford a 5000$ computer and begin with this bankroll when i am playing Roulette, i can certainly afford to send 500$ to anybody. Problem is i knew you didn't have Stefano's computer the manner you exposed it, so i didn't want to waste time with this bairgain, and reality gave me truth, you repeated my bet on a thread while at the same time answering to my question for free, and SPLASH Forester gave a wrong answer. Instead of correcting his mistake, he sent an email to the deceived Croatian player to know the real answer. You replied with the answer 2 days later.
If you had Stefano's computer, why didn't you reply sooner, reason is you didn't have Stefano's computer but informations from a deceived player. So i was right from the start, you never got Stefano's computer, making your own opinion from a deceived purchaser, but truth is you never tested it yourself, if you did, you would not have written only words about it, you would have shown videos, picture with a paper next to it written: "Forester" or something like that.

Of course you owed me the money, but i really don't care, i told you to keep it because i know you have no money, otherwise you would not sell garbage for 500$. As you are ashamed of this fact, you are saying i am a scammer like you, but you cannot actually prove it because it is another lie from you. Get a life scammer.
 
Franki Posted: 18-Feb-08 12:35
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@Stefano

I am not Mark, you moron! Everyone here knows this, except you!

Second, you are looking serious players?? Geez man, I do not know anyone more serious as BAGO is but he was not good enough for you!!!

LOL, LOL- no man, YOUR computer was not good enough for him!!!

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS ??????? Your computer is not good enough and does not work!!!!


What can serious guy do with a useless roulette program which does not work?
You can give it away for free OR even pay someone to take it BUT FACT IS that player will only LOSE with it! So, do you really think that we take you serious? Dream on!


Lesten, someone paid you $5000 and if the computer does not work, then you MUST return him money specially because you blocked him a computer. Contract is only valid IF you would sell something that works BUT it looks that you lied about your product!

 
Franki Posted: 18-Feb-08 12:46
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STEFANO

It is about who has workable and safe products that predict. Yours, howes and foresters predicts, the edge is unimportant, if there is an edge, you are going to be a rich guy if you apply it properly. So if it is 10%, 30% ,90%, who cares as long as the product can be applied discretely.

The problem is that yours comes on bottom of the list for applying. Your kit is clumsy and awkward, large plug in Nokia connectors for the loop, no remote pen transmitters, although you claim you have, show us the inside of one, a video, showing it works and the circuit like Howe does!

loops can be detected, you are correct, but what about sending the signal through the body to the hearing aid covertly, this cannot be detected. Howe has this technology. Called PAN area networking.

Howe also has transmitters that take timings that also use the body to transmit through, totally reliable and undetectable using mouth switches for one. This technology cannot be beat.

Forester also uses instant relay to the body for the output, again not using anything that can be detected. Forester has still got the switches though which are impossible to use through the foot reliably, but can be used by hand.

Disrepecting edges obtained, the safest and therefore the most easiest to use withour fear of being caught is :

Howes device First ( PAN AREA NETWORKS)Undetectable with modern surveilence techniques plus mouth switch is totally covert
Foresters Device ( SECOND, still has wired switch)
Stefanos device LAST! ( INduction loop and wired switch)

When it comes to technology Stefano, you are actually on the bottom of the list, you still have loops and hearing aids that work with loops and still have switches on wires which are clumsy and a signal immediately to the casinos what you are doing.

You claim Forester and HOWE are morons, not really, they are in front of you with ease of use and this is important to people Stefano. Your hybrid can be knocked up quite easily, I can supply a link to a company now that will let you have software for free for one month LOL, you are such a Bullshitter , a camera for such a setup costs a few hundred dollars. But tell me oh wise one, if you think you can use this in a casino safely and discretely, then you are the moron!

Tell me Stefano, have you got those PEN transmitters yet, can you prove it, have you got anything better than induction loops that can be detected, prove it, don't tell us about vibrators that do not work accurately enough on a mobile phone LOL

Stefanos kit is not improved, its really difficult and awkward to use, easy to detect in the casinos and not that accurate.

As for accuracy, Foresters has the most accurate timing hardware, thats a fact.


[Edited by fishman on 19-Feb-08 10:00]
 
Strip Crusher Posted: 19-Feb-08 01:49
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If that last paragraph is true I think Franki could be getting a visit from Interpol...

Stephano after careful consideration, I have decided not to take you up with the offer.
From all the evidence I have seen, I believe that what you and Mark are offering have only limited use in a casino, unless you the player was going to play massive bets for just a couple of spins and then try and get out with the money...Even that senario would take a hell of a lot of planning and travelling or rigging.

I also found out that my casino uses scanners to track such devices, so I dont want to go down that road...
 
Franki Posted: 19-Feb-08 02:40
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Strip Crusher

Franki knows nothing about that if it is true or not. Maybe he also understood that on the wrong way as forums today are full of lies.


[Edited by Franki on 19-Feb-08 15:49]
 
SPIKE Posted: 19-Feb-08 18:42
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Stephano after careful consideration, I have decided not to take you up with the offer.>>>

Smart move on your part. And not ONE PERSON has named ONE CASINO in the entire world where using a cheating device like a roulette computer will not get you in serious trouble.

Thats because there isn't one...

[Edited by SPIKE on 19-Feb-08 19:42]
 

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