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ratters Posted: 23-Jul-06 18:22
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Is back in town so watch out UK casinos coz we are gonna take you for all you have stolen off your punters.... plus more.
 
Kelly Posted: 24-Jul-06 02:59
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Learning Game Protection from the King of Past Posters
By Bill Zender
This past fall I had the opportunity to meet with the author of American Roulette (2003) and former past posting "king", Richard Marcus. Marcus directed teams have stolen millions of dollars over the past twenty years from casinos all over the world through the use of past posting moves performed on a multitude of casino games. Unlike some past post cheating teams who specialize in only one or two game types, Marcus et al over the years have successfully performed thousands past post moves at twenty one, baccarat, craps and several of the peripheral games.

During that twenty year period, not one time was Marcus arrested for cheating or was any member of his team incarcerated for a casino crime. For a cheater to be able to lurk under the radar that long and be that successful is something I find both amazing and unbelievable.

His book American Roulette is probably the most enlightening and honestly depicted "novel" I have ever read written from someone who has made a living cheating casino games. I've read several other books penned by alleged gaming cheaters, and they're mostly embellished ramblings of individuals wrapped up in their own ego. Not American Roulette. I have recommended it to numerous other gaming experts and executives. They all have come away with a much better understanding of the importance and mechanics professional past posters use to baffle and humiliate casino game protection. So I jumped at a chance to meet him when the opportunity arose several months ago. After reading his eye opening book, I couldn't wait to meet with him and discover more about how the casino's defenses could be bypassed so easily for so long.

As I had suspected, Richard Marcus is one person who is not driven by an over active ego. Although Marcus does not try to sugar coat what he has "allegedly" been doing over the past years, claiming he retired four or five years ago, he admits what he did was both "ballsy" and ruthless. Marcus has no regrets and doesn't think for one instant regulatory officials and casino personnel will ever agree to "live and let live". Marcus exclaimed that he wrote his story because he thought it needed to be told. Every cheating move he described in the book is depicted exactly as it was performed. Although many of the stories have been altered slightly to avoid offending certain individuals, they are told with as much accuracy as possible under the circumstances.

For example, after reading about a roulette move he and another team member named "Savannah", I realized that Marcus's team had cheated me in roulette at the Aladdin Hotel/Casino in 1996. I remember receiving a phone call from surveillance informing me that a "questionable" $500 wager was made on one of the columns. However, after reviewing the tape, surveillance substantiated the fact that the $500 wager ($502 actually) had legitimately been placed well before the ball had fallen. It had to be paid.

It wasn't until I read Marcus's book years later that I realized the Aladdin had been nailed by a $500 past posting move. The "Savannah" move was designed to get past the surveillance cameras. How is this done might one ask? The brilliance of the move comes from the positioning of two roulette checks placed on top of the $500 chip which conceal the bottom chip from the roulette dealer. Their positioning makes the dealer think the wager consists of three chips, all $1 roulette check. If the wager loses the cheater picks up chips before the dealer collects the losers. In most case the disappearing checks are not noticed, but if they are the cheater apologizes for his improprieties and hands in to the dealer three roulette $1 checks. If the wager wins the checks and chip remain on the layout for the dealer to pay. Because the $500 chip has gone unnoticed up to the point of payoff, the dealer thinks it might have come down late and informs the floor supervisor, who follows up on the dealer's suspicion by having surveillance review the video tape. Surveillance's confirmation seals the deal and the cheater gets paid by the same system that is supposed to prevent this specific occurrence.

Marcus stated that the team had unbelievable success cheating at all games, not just roulette. He stressed the fact that an unbelievable majority of their past post moves were never even questioned by the casino's floor staff even though their primary past post move in twenty one consisted of late wagers of $1,000 and higher. He contends that his team usually claimed one hundred past post moves with maybe one late wager being questioned.

Marcus's primary twenty one past post move was made by switching the original wager for a much higher bet after it had been paid by the dealer; a move that lead the dealer to believe he had misread the amount of the player's wager and paid it incorrectly. To my surprise and chagrin, Marcus recalled that he made approximately 200-300 past post moves in twenty one at the Aladdin between early 1992 and late 1993, a portion of that time when the Aladdin live games were under my tutelage. He stated that his team used the Aladdin for training since our limits were $2,000 and considered "too small" for conducting serious past post wagers. Even with the low limits Marcus explained that the team made a series of $110 and $210 past post claims without one failed attempt. They were able to make many of these moves under the very eyes of what I considered a very well trained floor staff. Ouch!

In the name of game protection I asked Marcus what a casino should do to help prevent future past post team from successfully extracting money from the casino, and what the industry needs to watch for on a day to day basis. Marcus outlined what he perceived as being best conditions for past posting and what the cheater does to improve his or her chances for a successful claim. Some of these points are:
Past posters like to make higher denomination moves during busy times. This allows for them to blend in easier and gives the floor staff less time to closely examine questionable wagering situations.
The cheater will adjust the amount past posted based on the casino's wager limit and action tolerance.
Blackjack moves were normally conducted from the last few positions on the table, although any position is vulnerable if the dealer and floor staff are not alert.
After a past post move was made the dealer would be physically touched and the "alleged mistake" brought to their attention. The physical contact has a "stunning" effect on the dealer causing them to more likely think they made a payoff mistake.
The dealer and floor supervisor were given a reason why high denomination chips were part of the wager by the appearance of the same denomination chips in the cheaters hand or on the table in front of him.
Steps were taken to make the past post claim appear as an "honest dealer mistake" so surveillance wasn't brought into the equation. Many times the team's psychological tactics got the dealer believing he or she had made the mistake, and would side with the cheaters when explaining the situation to floor staff.
Since camera coverage has greatly increased over the last ten years past post moves will be more likely detected if casino supervisory staff follow procedures and check questionable wagers or incidents.
Moves similar to "Savannah" will become more common in years to come because of the increased surveillance coverage.
I really hate putting more money in Richard Marcus's pocket since he already has me in the hole for thousands of dollars; I still highly recommend his book American Roulette which is a must read for all supervisory and surveillance personnel. After almost thirty years in the business myself, I found the information Marcus shares about his team and their past posting techniques as quite valuable, and I think everyone in the casino industry will find the information in it's text extremely eye opening.

Bill Zender is a Gaming Consultant
 
ratters Posted: 24-Jul-06 11:00
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Well said but in the words of Marcus, " i am a little bored these days so i will again be on the scene " ... A man who definately doesnt let the fame or fortune go to his head.
 
Kelly Posted: 24-Jul-06 11:13
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Beats me why he haven`t been banned a log time ago. Its not like he is particular secretive about it. They banned sachse (Kristian Kaisan) for playing legal (visual ballistic). In lots of european casinos they can ban you for no reason at all. So they won`t even have to catch him red handed.
 
ratters Posted: 24-Jul-06 13:37
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Without revealing to much he is not Richard Marcus whilst in casinos in europe...
 
ivorsmallholding Posted: 24-Jul-06 14:29
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If you watch "The Worlds Greatest Gambling Scams" documentary series on Challenge TV I think he gets featured.
 
ratters Posted: 24-Jul-06 15:22
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But is it really him ?? Only a very few people know who and what he looks like...
 
Kelly Posted: 24-Jul-06 16:42
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One thing i DO know, is that once the casinos reckognize you as a serious threat, they WILL ban you and send the appropriate info around to affiliate casinos nearby. Once when some of the members from the MIT Bj team was banned they tried with wigs and false identities but that didn`t help very long.

There is a small club of black listed people who can`t play in 90% of the casinos in the world. Kaisan is one of them. He took 100.000$ off the casino i got on my doorstep 10 years ago. It was after he had quit the use of a foot operated speaking stop watch, but the casinos knew about it and made him take his shoe off at each visit (in Vejle). That didn`t help them, he kicked their butt anyway because he had solved the timing problem in between. After that, they won`t see him again anywhere in Denmark.

But maybe Marcus has a way of staying under the radar, he obviously has, and i can only take my hat off for that. Well done.
 
SPIKE Posted: 24-Jul-06 20:16
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He must have a set of brass balls. To past post that many times with cameras and PB's & dealers and players all right there. I couldn't do it even once.
 
Rob Posted: 25-Jul-06 18:48
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@ Ratters, Kelly, et al-

'American Roulette' is a informative read showing many casino conditi
ons that permit for past posting although Marcus is hounded by disbeli
eving doubters in Las Vegas.
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"One thing i DO know, is that once the casinos reckognize you as a se
rious threat, they WILL ban you and send the appropriate info around t
o affiliate casinos nearby"

Respectfully, Kelly, that is a good paraphrase of one of my favorite
mantras regarding the casino envirionment that I have been posting for
several years now. You will recall back (2/3 years)w hen the very
idea of countermeasures, black listing and security secretly sharing
info against advantage players, was thought as of heresy. Not to be
rude but you might review some of your past replies to me. Anyway,
imodestly I will dare say again that when you are discovered to be
overcoming the table odds, as you evidently have with VB, it's another
story because now the player has to contend with the self protective
power of the casino.

My publico pro bono point then and now is to put these expectant casi
no reactions up on the NATIONAL RADAR SCREEN so punters would be aware
of the reality they have to contend with.

If players do not design the future for themselves then the casinos
will design it for them.

Best wishes for continued success with VB and stay under the radar
gun !

Cheers
RoB




[Edited by Rob on 25-Jul-06 19:01]
 
SPIKE Posted: 25-Jul-06 19:03
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If players do not design the future for themselves then the casinos will design it for them.>>>

Well put. I always think of winning as stealing the casinos money, even if you do it legitimately. That way, I am always careful and watchful that I don't get caught.

One of the world famous pro gamblers from the 60's, I can't remember which one, says that he won millions in the 60's and 70's, and always lost it all back. His best friends were all casino owners and managers and he went on vacations with them and played golf with them and went to their houses for dinner. When he started winning and not losing it back to the casino in the 80's, he lost every one of his casino friends. He admits he was shocked by their attitude. He realized for the first time that casinos only want it to be a one-way street: All coming in and none going out. They completely shunned him and went out of their way to make him miserable. Now he wins just to spite them, he hates them so much..

[Edited by SPIKE on 25-Jul-06 19:07]
 
Kelly Posted: 26-Jul-06 03:09
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You are correct Rob, but believe me if you saw me play, you wouldn`t immeadeatly connect my play with VB.

Surveillance is well aware of how a typical VB player plays. Late sector bets after staring intensely in the wheel etc.

There are plenty of ways to come around that using split bets, corners and a few single numbers. Rotor speed check is 2 quick glances with and the prediction is only 1 glance of 1-3 secs.

They haven`t recognized me as a threat yet, and frankli im not. I have a mix of 4 casinos that i frequent regularly and never the same in one week. Occasionally i go to one of our neighbour countrys so basicly its a mix of 6-8 casinos.

The one i frequent the most is also the one i got right on my door step. I know a few of the dealers privately so we chit chat and i play low so everybody is happy when i walk with +20-30 units on a regular basis.
 
SPIKE Posted: 26-Jul-06 14:16
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Late sector bets after staring intensely in the wheel etc.>>

You have to disguise your behavior like a card counter does. They typically don't drink while playing, so order a lite beer. They typically are totally silent and concentrate on the cards, so learn how to socialize with other players and still keep the count. I hated all that crap, it makes you feel like a crook. Glad I don't have to keep looking over my shoulder anymore.
 
Rob Posted: 26-Jul-06 19:15
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Camouflaging your game plan or yourself for that matter is a serious consideration for the advantage player; some have even employef the skills of Hollywood movie make up artists to get by the eye in the sky.

Having said that, when a AP places his casino chips after the ball has spun and wins consistently then a pit flag automatically goes up about a potential wheel clocker attack. Especially if the chips are relatively large. Naturally, playing guerilla warfare style (hit & run) with non-table game chips when busy will help but only up to a point. Croups remember punters who tiped and those who didn't, so imagine when big time winners come back on their shift

Bottom Line: The Protective Order of the Casino Garter really more concerned with how you repeatedly win more then how much you win.

And yes Spike, from the inside the casino boyz see it as "US" VS "THEM".

BEHAVIORAL: ACTION - REACTION
Our minds process information in much the same way, searching to translate new stimuli into familiar patterns of thought so that further thinking is unnecessary even by the pit critters.


Remember they consider us all FAIRGAME
RoB


[Edited by Rob on 26-Jul-06 19:19]
 
SPIKE Posted: 26-Jul-06 19:23
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from the inside the casino boyz see it as "US" VS "THEM".>>

Thats why BJ counters refer to the casino as the 'dark side', the evil side of The Force. Mike Shackleford takes issue with that, only because he IS a member of the dark side..

I read that one of the big time gambleers paid 10K to a Hollywood wig man for a realistic custom designed bald-headed wig, to disguise his appearance. He claims he made millions with that wig, his own mother wouldn't recognize him..
 

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