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pooper scoopers Posted: 15-Nov-04 14:46
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The creator (Stefano) wants us to buy the system then have it tested afterwords. He has backed down to any form of testing of his bullshit system and has now said he will not post here anymore. He is a true loser.




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[Edited by pooper scoopers on 15-Nov-04 15:51]
 
genuinewinner Posted: 15-Nov-04 15:35
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Do you have my system? No. Are you qualified to determine whether or not my system works? No.

Did you ask for my system? Yes. But you asked if you could receive the system for FREE and pay with the winnings, and I've said if you want it, pay for it up-front like everyone else.

Now you say you only want to test it. Yes you can test it all you like, BUT YOU ARE NOT GETTING IT FOR FREE WHEN IT'S OBVIOUS ALL YOU WANT TO DO IS GET THE SYSTEM WITHOUT PAYING.

This is obviously your revenge for me saying no. Grow up. Because I refuse your offer does not mean my system is a scam - you know nothing about my system. You just want to try and harm me for refusing your offer.
 
liolikas Posted: 15-Nov-04 16:06
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in summer, i downloaded this system old version, for free, in one site. i deleted it after first day. this system was one of Dr. Neubauers roulette systems.
now those systems are gone, only left casino buster. now i cant find it.
you had to cover one, of six colums. 0123456 is the first column , 789 10 11 12 is the second colum. he modified a little.
there were some shemes where the ball should to drop.



[Edited by liolikas on 15-Nov-04 17:32]
 
Lance38 Posted: 15-Nov-04 19:11
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Poop you don't need genuinewinner, I told you the system that would win for you, you must believe me, THIS IS YOUR HOLY GRAIL SYSTEM, here it is again:

Count the number of dog poos you pick up at six consecutive pooper-scooping jobs. If you pick up more than 36 dog poos or have a repeat number of dog poos you must start over. Six is the optimum amount of numbers to play, experienced roulette players know this. When you have six different numbers go to the roulette table and play those numbers. This is a flat bet system, no progression needed and this system really will work for you I promise, because your interaction with the dog poo will manifest itself at the roulette table in ways that you cannot understand but this is a unique system that will work just for you because you cannot beat roulette with a mechanical system, you must approach it in other ways. TRY IT POOP!
 
TurboGenius Posted: 15-Nov-04 19:58
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rofl
 
ahcoln Posted: 16-Nov-04 04:03
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Genuine Winner,

Do you want to send the system to me for testing. I never reveal any system in my past system testing. You can trust me on this. I will publish the unbiased result after the test. My test will cover at least 30k spins.

Drop me a mail if you agree. Please prove them wrong.

regards,
ahcoln
 
pooper scoopers Posted: 17-Nov-04 00:20
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You can trust Ahlcon as a reliable unbiased tester. If the test proves positive after 30 thousand spins you will make me look like an idoit. Whadya say?

Pooper Scoopers

[Edited by pooper scoopers on 17-Nov-04 01:21]
 
Kelly Posted: 17-Nov-04 11:17
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30 k spins... i can beat that without any problems at all. Have i got a winning system...???

Hamburg 1998 Oct. - Nov - Dec. 28120 spins

Gesamtsaldo = 1299,0
Real gesetzte Stücke = 40581,0
Gewinn vom Umsatz = 3,20 %

Gespielte Partien = 2288
Saldo pro Partie = 0,6
Coups pro Partie = 12,3

Partien mit Gewinn = 1891 = 21907,0 St.
Partien mit Verlust = 397 = -20608,0 St.
Partien mit +/- 0 = 0

Coups gesamt = 28120
Coup real gesetzt = 22858

Höchstes Partieplus real = 65,0
Höchstes Partieminus real = -52,0

That was only 28120 spins... alright i will throw in some more

Hamburg 2000 January 10665 spins

Gesamtsaldo = 1135,0
Real gesetzte Stücke = 14981,0
Gewinn vom Umsatz = 7,58 %

Gespielte Partien = 874
Saldo pro Partie = 1,3
Coups pro Partie = 12,2

Partien mit Gewinn = 736 = 8265,0 St.
Partien mit Verlust = 138 = -7130,0 St.
Partien mit +/- 0 = 0

Coups gesamt = 10665
Coup real gesetzt = 8667

Höchstes Partieplus real = 65,0
Höchstes Partieminus real = -52,0

Wants more....?

Hamburg 1999 Feb 9839 spins

Gesamtsaldo = 1086,0
Real gesetzte Stücke = 14106,0
Gewinn vom Umsatz = 7,70 %

Gespielte Partien = 792
Saldo pro Partie = 1,4
Coups pro Partie = 12,4

Partien mit Gewinn = 660 = 7905,0 St.
Partien mit Verlust = 132 = -6819,0 St.
Partien mit +/- 0 = 0

Coups gesamt = 9839
Coup real gesetzt = 8002

Höchstes Partieplus real = 65,0
Höchstes Partieminus real = -52,0

I could go on and on and on but this is:

3954 sessions
48624 spins
profit of 3356 units
A session loss can max be -52 units Max win pr session is +65
Turnover of 69668 units
Profit % +4,81%

So MR Genuinewinner. Should i send you the spins and you will let me know the result of your system...? Compare so to speak...?




 
ahcoln Posted: 17-Nov-04 11:22
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Kelly, you might beat this 30k spins but not other 30k spins. Am i right?
 
Kelly Posted: 17-Nov-04 11:25
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LOL correct ahcoln. If i bought the rest of the 1.400.000 spins from casinosoft i would estimate i could come up with 800.000 positive spins. But the other 600.000 .... oh my... all together thumbs down !!! I got 300.000 at the moment. No problem to find 150.000 positive.

[Edited by Kelly on 17-Nov-04 12:26]
 
ahcoln Posted: 17-Nov-04 11:28
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ha... Kelly you shouldn't discourage him to the test. He might actually beat the wheel. Who knows. He studies physics, not mathematic.
 
Kelly Posted: 17-Nov-04 11:37
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He contradicts himself by saying that his basis is physical but his play is pure mecanical. You only have to monitor the marqee. The only thing is that the actual numbers on the marqee has nothing to do with the physics in the wheel exept if there is a biased sector.
 
Kelly Posted: 17-Nov-04 11:43
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Well, what i mean is that if the dealer decide to give the rotor a slightly harder push the outcome will be completely different than if the rotor had another speed. For example. The numbers on the marqee has no influence whatsoever.
 
ahcoln Posted: 17-Nov-04 11:50
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Anyway, I still hope for a test. Rarely a system can beat 30k spins. FRS was an example...
 
Kelly Posted: 17-Nov-04 11:57
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Don`t set your hopes too high, he wont. It would be bad for his sales.
 
pooper scoopers Posted: 17-Nov-04 14:36
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Stefano has left the board. He knows we are all smarter than he is. I have absolutely no respect for him because his system would not stand a chance against real spins. He only came on the board because he was getting bashed but he refused to back up his system with any real world proof that his system works. I am going to submit him to The scammers section of the Wizard of odds plus I am going to submit him to the Shamefull sellers of crap roulette site where he can join Diodori and Mr. Vegas and Silverthorne where he belongs. Thank you Ahlcon and Kelly for agreeing to test his system but he has no integrity so do not even bother with him as he is another scammer.


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pooper scoopers Posted: 17-Nov-04 14:39
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Stefano has left the board. He knows we are all out smarted him. I have absolutely no respect for him because his system would not stand a chance against real spins. He only came on the board because he was getting bashed but he refused to back up his system with any real world proof that his system works. I am going to submit him to The scammers section of the Wizard of odds plus I am going to submit him to the Shamefull sellers of crap roulette site where he can join Diodori and Mr. Vegas and Silverthorne where he belongs. Thank you Ahlcon and Kelly for agreeing to test his system but he has no integrity so do not even bother with him as he is another scammer. All I can say is it is going to be funny to see him on the website "Lets Talk Losing"


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liolikas Posted: 17-Nov-04 15:40
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Turbogenius has this system. so be calm.
 
TurboGenius Posted: 17-Nov-04 15:41
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:) 'eh wha ? not me.
I can make enough of my own losing systems, lol
 
liolikas Posted: 17-Nov-04 15:46
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when Stefano proves that in webcam casino REAL account he has about 100 000, then we will think, what to do with this guy.
 
pooper scoopers Posted: 17-Nov-04 15:53
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Turbogenuis is ok in my book because even if his systems fail he gives them away for free. I have respect for him. I have no respect for someone trying to sell a system for 2 thousand dollars that is insane. I can bet Turbogenuis's systems are just as effective as genuine scammer's system or even better and you do not have to pay $2,000 to get them.


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pooper scoopers Posted: 17-Nov-04 15:56
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Turbogenuis is ok in my book because even if his systems fail he gives them away for free. I have respect for him. I have no respect for someone trying to sell a system for 2 thousand dollars that is insane. I can bet Turbogenuis's systems are just as effective as genuine scammer's system or even better and you do not have to pay $2,000 to get them.


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p.s I give great respect for Rambler as he gave a good system away for free but got bashed none the less. He is greatly missed on this board.
 
liolikas Posted: 17-Nov-04 16:11
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i think i know it 1 1 2 2 3 4 5 7 9 12 .... be good if you will sent it to me.
 
Lance38 Posted: 17-Nov-04 16:19
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Hooray for Dogpoo! He has saved us from those evil roulette scammers! They'll never show their face in this town again! And that bastard Stefano! How dare he not give out his system and let us test it against a MILLION SPINS! BASTARD! Get the torches, round up the men. Oh the humanity...!!
 
bozoe Posted: 17-Nov-04 16:30
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With all this negativity here, why does Thanos say it's the best?
Any one care to explain?
 
Lance38 Posted: 17-Nov-04 16:38
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>>Stefano has left the board. He knows we are all out smarted him.

.......yeah you sure did out-smart him Dogpoo, you sound like a real genius

>>I have absolutely no respect for him because his system would not stand a chance against real spins.

.......how do you know Dogpoo, do you have his system, did you try it?

>>I am going to submit him to The scammers section of the Wizard of odds plus I am going to submit him to the Shamefull sellers of crap roulette site where he can join Diodori and Mr. Vegas and Silverthorne where he belongs.

......why Dogpoo? Do you have his system? Do you know it's a scam? Well, gee, thanks Dogpoo, I no longer feel compelled to send $2000 to complete stranger for a get rich quick roulette system. Couldn't have done it without you. Keep up the good work.


 
liolikas Posted: 17-Nov-04 16:45
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with this system he sould easily to win 100 000 , but he shous only poor 1.500 for FUN
 
Lance38 Posted: 17-Nov-04 16:57
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Pooper Scoopers, you don't mind my calling you "Dogpoo" for short, do you? That could be your nickname. Because "Pooper Scoopers" is kind of long to type out. So what kind of professional training do you go through to be a professional pooper scooper? Nevermind, the point is you can be a professional pooper scooper by day and professional gambler by night, if you follow the system I outlined for you. I'm sorry, I should stop picking on you but you just sound like such an idiot I can't help myself. But I'll try, I'll really try. But it won't be easy...

"Mr Hank-ee, the Christmas Poo, he loves me and he loves you..."

I'm sorry... I love South Park though, don't you?
 
Lance38 Posted: 17-Nov-04 17:14
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Hey Poop (can I call you "Poop" for short?) I'm sorry, I know that I'm more than twice as old as you so don't worry about it, I shouldn't have called you an idiot, I probably didn't sound too bright when I was your age either. Shit I just insulted you again. SORRY!

PS, and if do pick up shit for a living (or just a job for now) that's OK, at least you work for yourself which is very commendable. Carry on!
 
gameguy Posted: 17-Nov-04 17:51
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A small point of order Lance. I am a huge South Park fan myself, and the lyrics are:

"Mr. Hank-ee, the Christmas Poo, he loves me, I love you."

Sorry to be so picky, but when you're a fan....
 
Lance38 Posted: 17-Nov-04 18:51
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Thank you gameguy I stand corrected.
 
pooper scoopers Posted: 17-Nov-04 20:00
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Lance 38: For the record I am not a kid. I have to wonder why you are trying to pick fights with me. It seems you are on Stefano scammer genuine losers side. Why dont you buy the system for $2,000 and get rich with it. I am merely exposing this scammer for what he is. He has backed down to me because he is a pussy. If I were to buy his system and it did not work I would track him down in Australia and kick his ass.


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[Edited by pooper scoopers on 17-Nov-04 21:09]
 
TurboGenius Posted: 17-Nov-04 20:13
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Kyle: Wow! That's a lot of seamen, Cartman.
Cartman: Yeah, I bought all that I could at this bank, and then I got the rest from this guy Ralph in an alley.
Stan: That's cool.
Cartman: Yeah, and the sweet thing is, the stupid asshole didn't even charge me money for it. He just made me close my eyes and suck on a hose.

roflmao

Chief Running Water: Your mother is what we Indians call, 'Bear With Wide Canyon.'
Cartman: What do you mean?
CRW: She is 'Doe Who Cannot Keep Legs Together.'
Cartman: Huh?
CRW: Your mom's a slut.

[Edited by TurboGenius on 17-Nov-04 21:14]
 
liolikas Posted: 18-Nov-04 04:20
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to Bozoe, you are from the Australia, so you should to organize all.
 
ahcoln Posted: 20-Nov-04 06:27
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move this thread to top
 
markhowy Posted: 20-Nov-04 06:44
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So Ahcoln does not look the fool, wahts he trying to hide this and mo
ve all the threads to the top?, that his understanding of mathematics
is pathetic, yet he claims he is a scientist?

I do not believe that Ahcoln is a scientist!

Read on>

Hi Folks

It may be interesting to know, why Ahcoln does not like me, he believ
es I tried to made him look a fool on the board, and has no recollecti
on of writing waht he did some months ago.

I think you sh0ould put your hand up here AHCOLN and make an apology,
you MADE YOUR SELF LOOK THE FOOL, i only was the instrument to point
it out. It may benefit you to check your mail in future.

Oh, interesting, you claim to be a fellow scientist too Ahcoln, you w
ork in electronics if I remember correctly. I am gald you don't work i
n my research department, after your post below, hate to see your elec
tronic calcualtions"! LOL

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Marky

I really dont want to insult anyone here as all of us here is to give
constructive suggestion. You haven't prove me yet is that every gambl
er who walk into the casino and play roulette will lose exactly 2.7% f
rom total of his bet when he walk out from the casino?

First, answer, yes or not.
Second, if yes, show me the evidence.

If you can prove this, you just prove the gambling is mathematic, if
you cant, dont waste my time. I respect you for your contribution to t
he mathematic, even you cant prove yourself is a scientist as you clai
m you are. But I would not respect you of your destruction of gambling
strategy discussion in this forum.

ahcoln

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at AHCOLN

You keep saying the same thing>

You haven't prove me yet is that every gambler who walk into the casi
no and play roulette will lose exactly 2.7% from total of his bet when
he walk out from the casino?

First, answer, yes or not.
Second, if yes, show me the evidence.

MARK SAYS>

You talk complete nonsense, NO ONE WOULD LOSE EXACTLY 2.7% OF THERE B
ETS, they could win you dummy, just placing one unit on!

Who said you would lose exactly 2.7%, I did not, only you said this!

I claimed that the house edge is always 2.7% against you! SO ON AVERA
GE, ARE YOU LISTENING, ON AVERAGE, it is against you by 2.7%

BUT THE 2.7 % IS always there, this is the amount the casino wins if
it counts up all money placed on a roulette table(European) in one yea
r, then compares this with its profits from Roulette, it will be 2.7%
approximately, this is a certainty!

So every time you visit the casino, you are risking to lose 2.7% of w
hat ever you place on the roulette table!

If you think this is complete crap, then you are entitled to your bel
iefs, some people believe in Time travel ,that this may even be possib
le one day! Others believe in progressions! You can belong to any scho
ol of thought you wish, this is your choice, my posts on here are not
from my personal beliefs though, this is your letdown in your Argument
!

What I am stating what Emile Borel ,Pascal, Fermat studied, all I can
say is that I am trying to get you to understand basic mathematics, b
ut you cannot! So all these famous scientists, their research and stud
ying for years is worthless, because some dummy named AHcoln, says so,
but has no evidence!

Do you really expect people to take you seriously?

The you write>

If you can prove this, you just prove the gambling is mathematic, if
you cant, dont waste my time. I respect you for your contribution to t
he mathematic, even you cant prove yourself is a scientist as you clai
m you are. But I would not respect you of your destruction of gambling
strategy discussion in this forum.

ahcoln
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Mark Says>
What do you mean by the statement' Even you Cant prove yourself is a
scientist as you claim you are.

So you doubt my claims Ahcoln, you are welcome to do this!

SCIENTIST-A person who studies and practises a science.

I think I qualify in at least 7 different areas, have broke new techn
ological breakthroughs in four different scientific areas, you will se
e this in my new book, there will be a profile there to read up on!

Whats your qualifications to judge me and state YOU WILL WASTE NO MOR
E TIME!

YOU ARE A WASTE OF TIME, AHCOLN!

@Masterman

You are correct that there is a greater chance of any equal chance ev
ent but slightly unbalanced ,rather than All SQUARE on completion of a
ny number of BETS!

This forms part of Pascals Triangles!

This is what mathematics claims, and has for centuries!

Lets take 400 heads and tails!

The probability of it been all square after 400 tosses wound be 1/24

The calculations are as follows>

The way thatit is done is to divide the expression

n n
C -
2

By

n
2
-------------------------------------------------

Do not attempt to do this using normal multiplication and divison, th
e numbers are astronomical, but you could use mathcad, or logs!

So because we have reverse, 201/199 or 199/201, this chances collecti
vely add up to more than thew chance of 200/200!

For an absolute certainty, on average,if you check even chance events
, heads and tails, or RED or Black(Ignore the Zero) for a run of 400,
you will arrive at the probabilities below!

Probability% ( including reverse)
200-200 0.03988
201-199 0.07936
202-198 0.07820
203-197 0.07628
204-196 0.07366
205-195 0.07042
206-194 0.06666
207-193 0.06248
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TOTAL 0.54694
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>207-<193= 0.45306
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CERTAINTY!

So 54% of the time, 200 BLACKS/ 200 REDS(Excluding Zero) or we can ha
ve

200 HEADS/ 200 TAILS.

Will fall within a range of been +7 or -7 of one of the chances!

FACT!

Try this on any number of spins you wish from all of the speil Bank n
umbers, this will always be true!

So Masterman, you have noticed a mathematical fact, or possibly read
it somewhere, so how can you possibly agree with Ahcoln?

Speak to you all soon!





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IGNORE THE EQUATION ABOVE, This board is a pain for showing any sort
of formula or diagrams, limits the ideas really!

Regards

Mark. .

ahcoln Posted: 28-Jul-03 15:35 Delete Edit

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Scientist, good luck, I cant waste anymore time talking to you. Longe
r I stay with you longer I become your tool to promote your great nons
ence. Almost get lied. Lucky I discover it earlier now. hundred times
I tell myself dont read this nonsense theory from nonsence scientist.
This guy is a poor addict gambler...

--------------------------------


Proof you are a scientist on this board ahcoln, such trival dribble a
nd lack of understanding of the most basic of mathematics catogoricall
y states otherwise!

LOL

Mark ..
 
genuinewinner Posted: 22-Nov-04 14:52
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liolikas, my system is nothing like Dr. Neubauers system. It is not available anywhere else except through me, and if anyone says otherwise they're plain lying. You either have mistaken my system for another one or, like many of the forum members here, are full of viscious and blatant lies. Again to anyone interested in my system, if you're obtaining your information from message boards, you're obtaining it from rival system sellers who criticize other systems to sell their own.
 
Thanos Posted: 23-Nov-04 15:58
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I cant believe that some people on this board are upset because Genuinewinner wont give away his system for free(essentially what testing is). My opinion...screw 'em all. Nobodys forced to buy the system. Stefano has put a lot of time and effort into researching his method; I wouldnt give it away either. Stop the whining its pathetic. I have purchased several systems, and I'm man enough to admit it. I have blown the whistle on some systems that i think are garbage. I havent done that with genuine, because i think that this system is pretty good. I have done pretty good with my book/simulated trials; However, my live casino experience hasnt been as successful due to error on my part( i'm just not fast enough to do all the calulations& make the bets in time). If the system doesnt work out as advertised, I would be one of the first to expose it as a scam. Can anyone on this board, who has purchased the system, make a claim that the system doesnt work? I have several emails from genuinewinner system purchashers who claim it does work as advertised. Stefano, I dont know how in the hell you can take all this negativity and remain so calm. I would be ready to break my foot off in somebodys ass if it where me. To the ALL the flaming posters on this board, lets wait and see what this system is all about before we knock down a man's integrity/creditability. I would be exposing this system in a nano second if i felt ripped off. As of yet, I dont. I will do further casino testing, and let you guys/gals know the results.

[Edited by Thanos on 23-Nov-04 17:04]
 
pooper scoopers Posted: 24-Nov-04 00:06
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Ok Thanos you have purchased the system. I have seen that you make over 100 grand a year at your job. You should become a millionaire real quick with this system as he claims it gains 60-80 units a hour. Invest in 100 dollar units and you will make 6-8 thousand dollars an hour (LOL). I do not think so as I have searched your threads and you claim EVERY system (GenuineLoser.com) included you have ever bought has never worked. I do not know the date but you have claimed to have spent a small fortune on gambling systems. The fact is this guy from the land down under needs to get his ass kicked by a 6 foot 3 277 pound pooper scooper for scamming you and 20 others.

Pooper Scoopers
 
serchad Posted: 24-Nov-04 01:55
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Thanos, Talking about whining, you seem to be doing a good job of that yourself. Why the fuck do you care what people say about the GenuineScam System unless you have more than just a buyers interest in it.
 
Thanos Posted: 24-Nov-04 21:10
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I dont whine; never have, never will. I face all situations /challenges head on. I just dont understand how people can knock a man's integrity without first hand facts. It seems as though people want a freebie, and then complain when they dont get one. The whining should come from unhappy purchasers, not wannabe free system getters. As far as this topic goes I'm finished. I dont post to argue or fight. Anyone who wants to argue or fight with me,I am at Resorts or Taj Mahal in Atlantic City 3-4x per week. All in all this topic has gotten out of hand. Lets wait and see what further testing will do. I will give the results.Until then, how can anyone honestly and accurately judge this system? What is the real reason we come here? is it to ridicule? Scorn? Belittle? I come here to hear intelligent posts by people searching for an edge against the casino. I cant imagine what Columbus had to endure. Good Gaming to all.
Serchad I dont have any interest in the system other than what i paid for it" I "give a fuck" because I'm not some heartless S.O.B. The system is pretty damn good. Can you claim otherwise? do you have the system? Have you tested the system? If not, then dont make any hasty judgements without facts. Pooper Scoopers i plan to do just what you suggested after i learn the method better.(you have to be fast and accurate)In book trials, the system wins as advertised. Maybe genuinewinner will let me pick 1 player on this site to do the method with in person. That way the truth will be known. Poopers come to AC and lets do it?

[Edited by Thanos on 24-Nov-04 22:22]
 
Kelly Posted: 24-Nov-04 21:51
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Pretty simple: Its sold as a long term winner and a mecanical system. Mecanical systems is exposed to the law of the large numbers and will be negative in the long run. So "long term winner" is a false claim. If it works 3-4 times a week for 3 months, is not a proof for long term.
 
genuinewinner Posted: 24-Nov-04 21:53
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Thanos thanks for your posts. Even if you showed the system to one chosen person from the forum and posted overwhealmingly positive results, according to people like pooper scooper the results wouldnt be good enough.. because he didnt test it himself. I dont want anyone who hasnt paid for it to see the system - this is how they circulate and technically we shouldnt even be discussing this. Because there were skeptical people, I introduced a guarantee and a screenshot of a live casino - starting from only $100 the system made well over $4000. Isn't that enough? One person wants me to play to over $50,000 and even if I took the time to do that, someone would still say it's not enough. From $100 to over $4000.. point made. And I think we know by now pooper scooper is not the most credible source of information, especially as he likes to call anyone that doesnt give their system to them for free a scam artist. Pooper, in your email you told me you have exposed HUNDREDS of fraudulent systems and con artists. Hundreds? You've been very busy. That many people refused to give you their system for free? Look at the title of this thread and you're quick to call my system a scam - but do you even have it? No. I don't to argue with you. I think we're all very tired of the abusive posts. If there are any legitimate questions, then please contact me directly.

 
serchad Posted: 25-Nov-04 00:34
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From genuinewinner. com

'Secondly, some casinos have already caught on (mainly in Vegas), and are making changes that make my system more difficult to apply. The changes casinos are gradually making don't make the system lose, although it makes it more difficult to apply. There is still very easy money to be made while most casinos are not aware how roulette can be beaten consistently.'


What are these changes?
 
pooper scoopers Posted: 25-Nov-04 00:35
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Thanos: I appreciate the offer but I live on the other side off the globe (Vegas). Let me know how you do with the system.
Stefano: I have never emailed you and I have never said that I have exposed hundreds of systems I merely pointed out that in an Earlier thread that Thanos said that he has bought nearly every system out there and none have lived up to their claims.


Pooper scoopers
 
serchad Posted: 25-Nov-04 00:48
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From genuinewinner. com

'Secondly, some casinos have already caught on (mainly in Vegas), and are making changes that make my system more difficult to apply. The changes casinos are gradually making don't make the system lose, although it makes it more difficult to apply. There is still very easy money to be made while most casinos are not aware how roulette can be beaten consistently.'


What are these changes?
 
serchad Posted: 25-Nov-04 00:51
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'You cannot predict the result of computer generated random spins with enough accuracy to beat the house edge, and the casino has the house edge, so playing any online roulette is guaranteed failure. The one exception is with live online roulette (such as masterspin.com or casinowebcam.com) where a real roulette wheel is used. I recently tested my system with casinowebcam.com'

Well, you can believe that 'live online roulette' is actually live if you want but I think it's a load of baloney and just computer generated spins with video clips used to fraudulently suggest it is live play. Has anybody else here tried the fun play at either of these 'live' online casinos? It's so 'live' you even have to download the 'sounds' before start of play.

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serchad Posted: 25-Nov-04 01:02
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"And thirdly, my businesses and investments now provide more than enough income without the "need" to apply the system anymore, although I love the game of roulette and still play it often."

You have more than enough money for your needs and yet you have an almost desperate need to sell this system. Buying and setting up a domain, pissing around with advertising, having to 'train' people to use it - that's a lot of uneccessary bother for someone who doesn't need it, isn't it?
 
GunnerMills Posted: 25-Nov-04 03:55
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You just have to wonder where these Bullshit artists like Stefano come from: Why is he trying to con money out of the very people who, like him, are trying to find a solution to the Roulette question so that each of us can share in the rewards: I have nothing but contempt for people like Stefano: Either freely share your unbeatable system Stefano, or keep your trap tightly shut:
 
pooper scoopers Posted: 26-Nov-04 00:02
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So has anyone besides Thanos purchased the system? Any comments good or bad would be appreciated.

Pooper Scoopers
 
e Posted: 27-Nov-04 11:20
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His computer screens on his website could have been easily manipulated by depositing more money instead of winning. I doubt if he played in Las vegas, he lives in another country.
 
genuinewinner Posted: 03-Dec-04 18:31
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1. Pooper scooper, you did email me and you did clearly stated you have exposed "hundreds" of roulette scams - you saying you didnt say that is another blatant lie. The forum members don't see what you sent me - if they did, YOU would be exposed. All you want to do is try and harm me. How does my system offend you? Because I didnt give it to you for free despite your requests?

2. Kelly, why would you think a mechanical system is bound to fail? A mechanical system is a system where there is no guesswork involved - the system tells you where to bet and when. This does not at all mean a system is bound to fail so I suggest you check your sources. If a system is not mechanical, then whether or not it actually works is open to interpritation because some then it's based more on chance/luck.

3. Serchad, the most common counter-measure is changing dealers mid-play, but it still doesn't make the system lose. If you have any further questions about the system, please email me directly. And yes I have more than enough money and revenue sources so I dont need the system - why is that so difficult to understand? If you were in my shoes, you could afford to sell a winning system.

4. GunnerMills, if you had a winning system that you worked your butt off to develop, and you had multiple ample income streams from businesses and investments and didnt need the system, would you give it away for free? I doubt it. And I didnt open my mouth here initially - I responded to criticism from people that dont even have my system. Again, I'm not giving my system away for free. I dont need to play it, but that doesnt mean I give it out for free.

To anyone interested in my system, please keep in mind I very rarely check these posts so if you want answers and a response, email me directly. I don't see why I should respond to criticizm from people that dont even have my system, but if you have any reasonable questions then contact me directly.




 
genuinewinner Posted: 03-Dec-04 18:37
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Also you know its real live online roulette when they talk to you and respond to what you type.
 
Kelly Posted: 06-Dec-04 15:36
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A mecanical system fails long term because of the odds. If you don`t believe me, expose your system to a long term test.

You might argue that you will never spend so much time in the casino but if you play long term you need to test long term. Use either a free lance programmer or one of the sources already in the market and use real spins anyone can verify later. Hamburg or other available net sources.

Otherwise you should advertise your system as a "Great short term winner". That i won`t argue with you.

The reason that you believe in your system is either because you haven`t testet it properly, already done that and seen it fail but won`t tell, or is simply blinded by a short term test done on a relatively small sample.

The "sources" you refer to, is a couple of hundred long term tests. Somehow they all end up with the same profit %. -1,35% or -2,7%. In all of the tests you could find favourable runs but the reason they end up negative is because the losing streaks are consistent and more frequent than the winning streaks. (product of the negative odds)

Your "outstanding claims" calls for "outstanding proof". Until then i can`t take you seriously. Sorry.

PS: Im not trying to get your system for free, im way past mecanical systems.

 

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