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markhowy Posted: 17-Mar-05 09:35
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HI Folks

Interesting link on Gamingfloor.com about roulette computers!

http://www.gamingfloor.biz/forum/showthread.php?t=1675

Would you say that your roulette computer is superior
to Mark Howe's?”

I have never examined Howe’s computer. I have watched his DVD’s, I suspect his computer works

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Do you think Mark Howe was linked to this guy?”

Why don’t you ask him? I have never known Howe to be coy about taking credit for anything.

I see that you have engaged in friendly exchanges with Mark and have vehemently supported him and his devices on other forums.

Regards

Mark ..

[Edited by markhowy on 17-Mar-05 10:48]
 
roulcatreturns Posted: 17-Mar-05 15:15
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Well it wouldnt be mark's computer because that thing wouldnt fit in my pants, much less a shoe.

If the ball hits the same diamond every time, then marks computer works. Otherwise, it doesnt. Figure that out.

Mark, you are the only person selling something here. You shouldnt be allowed to post as all you do is try and sell us your computer.
 
markhowy Posted: 17-Mar-05 17:55
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Hi folks

Seems like some people cannot figure things out here!

I demonstrate the computer on a level wheel, a modern level wheel in person, the computer was initially designed to play level wheels !

Want to come and have a bet that I can obtain around 1 in 18 all day long on a level or tilted wheel?

GRIN

Mark ..
 
docker Posted: 17-Mar-05 18:12
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Have you mapped the fall off on that final revolution Mark on the level wheel?
Hopefully you got about 360 fall off points over 500 spins.

Are you sure it was level?

We are all waiting for the next video.

GRIN
 
MrV Posted: 17-Mar-05 22:02
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LOL

The Mad Scientist is a legend in his own mind.

Let's look at what Michael Barnett had to say about this clown over at the casino staff forum...

<snip>

I am concerned at some of the statements you make:-

On another forum you weigh in quite heavily in support of a spammer and pathological liar who attempts to sell his roulette computers by making posts on gambling addiction forums.

You suggest that this person is a highly intelligent and wealthy person who is simply marketing his products in an attempt to “gain the attention of a quality crew”. You refer to him as “pure genius”.

Do you seriously think well-funded professional gamblers (quality crew) are monitoring gambling addiction forums or do you think that, just perhaps, this low-life has absolutely no scruples or ethics whosoever?

On that same forum you state “It may seem that way to you, but I assure you, what he (Mark Howe) is selling is his service, not the computer.”

Would you mind telling us how you are in a position to “assure’” us of Howe’s objectives and intentions?

I am sure you are aware that this sociopath is ignored on all the respectable Advantage Player forums.

I ask you these questions in an attempt to understand why a reasonable person would attempt to legitimize or rationalize this kind of behavior.

<end snip>

Mark is a laughingstock across the internet.

roll dem bones
 
roulcatreturns Posted: 18-Mar-05 00:06
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Mark, I will take your bet! What's the stake? $100,000? How do we go about it? But you wont be spinning the wheel or ball.

You make offers for demonstrations but these are to make people think "hey if he makes such an offer, he must be for real". But you wont go ahead with such a demo on a flat wheel if someone else spins, will you? Your offer for demos is nothing more than a sales pitch.

And again Mark, what happens when the ball DOESN'T hit the one diamond? After all, your computer relies on it, doesnt it? Tell the truth Mark.
 
markhowy Posted: 18-Mar-05 10:17
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Hi V

Its simple, I am not the threat, but roulette computer and my research is!

Mike Barnett has the intelligence to see through my persona and take a serious look at what I have that beats roulette and if it does indeed pose a threat!

Although I may be regarded as a sociopath, this does not mean what I sell or have created does not work!

It appears that Mike Barnett sees me in a light that I see him in, I look at the merit of a person and the facts, not his mannerisms!

I think the Casinos should actually take him a little more serious as he does indeed know more than most when it comes to roulette computers etc!


GRIN

Mark ..
 
roulcatreturns Posted: 18-Mar-05 15:06
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And its no surprise mark couldnt even answer my question or address the issues. He always skips past the important ones and I wonder why... Wow he turned down $100k. Maybe that has something to do with the single diamond thingy especially with a flat wheel, eh mark? 1 in 18 with your computer on a flat wheel with someone else doing the spinning is absolutely dreaming, and you know it, Mark.

Firstly you would need the wheel to hit the selected diamond often enough, then you would need to worry about then offset ranging from 0 to 37 without any discernable pattern.

PS, it's YOU'RE, not YOUR.
 
survtech Posted: 18-Mar-05 16:11
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I am not prepared to make further comments on Mark A Howe, the person, but I think the following is in order.

I see no reason why Mr. Howe’s computer should not work; outrageous claims don’t need and shouldn’t be made. Under the right conditions and using common sense I believe the device is a threat to the game.

I know some of the people who have inputted on this project, one of them is one of the best minds in the Ukraine; I have worked with him on blackjack software.

I have also discussed Mr. Howe’s computer and ideas with other very well known roulette computer experts.

It is generally agreed that Mr. Howe has some very good features, particularly the approach to building a histogram on the fly to determine the scatter peak.

I would like to take up the offer of a demonstration the next time I am in the UK.

This is not to be taken as an endorsement or a recommendation; it is simply my professional opinion.

Michael Barnett
Surveillance Technology
Perth
Western Australia

 
markhowy Posted: 18-Mar-05 17:37
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Hi Mike

Your welcome, give me a few days notice and your come to see me in Sheffield. After August would be better for me ..Let me know how you are fixed ..I will give it some thought until then, obviously if any info was tro be passed on to casinos, this could prove detrimental to my clients, so I would be curious of your intentions?

What I can tell you that the program I supply is all of my own work, the guy you speak off added some of his own ideas to the original program on his machine. He is a very gifted mathematician and had some unique ideas about roulette prediction!

I am now in the process of finishing the ultimate Roulette predictive software, only a few spins set up and no offsets, although the Histogram feature will be there for data analysis. Using Neural Networks and some novel mathematics more on a digitised level, rather than polynomials, a roulette computer can be made that is ruthless.

Its not quite finished yet, but I have no doubts in my mind that it will not work, it will, I always succeed!

It will anilate any wheel out there, no matter what ball ,Corrian tracks ,huxleys starburst wheels wether set level or tilted!

I know that VB is almost finished, its very difficult to use, can only be used on a tilted wheel and can only make accurate predictions when no more bets are called!

I know you know where I live!

Regards

Mark Howe..

[Edited by markhowy on 18-Mar-05 18:53]
 
TurboGenius Posted: 18-Mar-05 20:03
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""Under the right conditions and using common sense I believe the device is a threat to the game.""

Isn't this a no-brainer ?
Isn't this why you aren't allowed to use a computer in a casino ?
So why are we discussing something that may well possibly work, since it is against all rules to use one ?

Sometimes I wonder.

You can't bring in a gun into a bank, yet if Mark came on here and said that his gun would help you rob the bank, would you still post the same positive comments ?

If computers were allowed to be used, which they are not, then this whole concept would be the "talk of the town".

They aren't.
We can't use one...
Why are we talking about it ?

When the day comes when I can sit one next to me at the table and use it, I'll be the first to call Mark to buy one.
"covert" means what it means and it's needed for a reason.


ps/ Mark -
"Its not quite finished yet, but I have no doubts in my mind that it will not work"

good one.

My ex-english teacher would be yelling at you about using double negatives like that, but in this case it probably makes the statement a true one, rofl.
ps/ for your info - that statement means that you are sure it will not work. (just so there isn't not any confusion)





 
MrV Posted: 18-Mar-05 21:29
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While roulette computers are illegal in Nevada and Atlantic City, I frankly do not know what would happen if a player got caught with one in a tribal casino.

Also, it would seem that in some countries they are not illegal, but if you are caught anywhere with one you will be PNG'd.

If it really worked as claimed (one in eighteen) it would be worth the risk; just choose your venues carefully.

This of course begs the question...

roll dem bones
 
Donali Posted: 18-Mar-05 22:04
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"While roulette computers are illegal in Nevada and Atlantic City, I frankly do not know what would happen if a player got caught with one in a tribal casino."

I happen to be vacationing in New England (Northeastern USA) near Foxwoods Resort and Casino ( Indian owned ) , the largest casino in the world. I asked a pit manager named Gordis that exact question and he said "We would call security, they would take you to the tribal police and we would charge you with concealing and/or using an illegal gaming device, we would confiscate the device, what the penalties would be I am not positive, but it's definitely illegal here and you would be barred immediately at minimum, and charged with trespassing if you ever returned".

He said that it would be akin to using magnets on the slots. He also said not to card count at Black Jack either or you will be barred. He said you can win all the money you want using any system you may have, you can write anything down you want and we'll even supply you the pencil and paper. He said it would be ok to use one of the Black Jack strategy cards at the table, but you cannot put the card on the table. He said no cell phones or other electrical devices are allowed to be used while you are sitting at the roulette table.

For anyone wishing to verify this, here's the info:

GENERAL INFORMATION
1-800-FOXWOODS
information@foxwoods.com
 
gameguy Posted: 18-Mar-05 22:16
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For those who care, I have now spoken by phone with an actual purchaser of Mark's device. I won't reveal who it was but we were talking about another gambling method altogether and during the course of our conversation, it just happened to come up that this person was a previous customer.

I believe this person to be completely legit and honest based on the rest of our conversation. Anyway, this person confirmed to me that Mark's device does actually work. The problem comes in whether it is practical and feasible to use where you live or choose to play.

I am not suggesting that anyone purchase the device without first doing much research into what is needed to use the device successfully where you play, and stay out of jail of course. But at least that nagging question has been answered to my satisfaction. It is not, as some have suspected including myself, snake oil. That doesn't mean it's easy to use either but the person I spoke with has used the device with some success.

So, on that level anyway, kudos to you, Mark.
 
docker Posted: 19-Mar-05 00:45
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I don't think most people here doubt the mathematics of the roulette computer.
It is just the other points that turn this debate into a circus.

1.Extremely doubtful that Mark has won anywhere near 1 million, never mind 4.2 million.
2.Why would you shout it to the world over and over and over and over again.......?
Anybody with any sense would not tell anybody, especially strangers and certainly not offer it for a couple of grand.
3.It is yet to be proven on 100% level wheels and scalloped ones.
Mark has had the chance long enough to demonstrate it, yet instead he chose a tilted, 16 diamond wheel, with much editing.
4.The practicalities of using the device is questionable.
Two guys in Sydney were thrown out using it, and that was after they were losing their shirts with a hit rate of 1 in 60.
Present day conditions would make it so obvious for the average player to be noticed by staff.
5.The operation of the device needs to be reversed so that no more bets isnt called before the zero does a complete 360.
How could a designer stuff that one up?
6.And finally would you buy something of an unstable, lying, desperate person?
 
Kelly Posted: 19-Mar-05 00:58
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Spot on docker. Even Pierre Basieux says that it works although in his opinion the algorithm wasn`t optimal, but it worked.

I have been interested in see how an operation is run in a real casino for some time, but no one is coming forward. The interest was not on how much would have been won, but the whole set up. Timings, bet placing, etc. Without detection.

The size of the edge has only secondaryly interest, after all you can just adjust the amount you wager and your money management (kelly to flatten deviations in bank) to the size of what ever edge you have.

But getting a meaningfull conversation through here is not easy.
 
docker Posted: 19-Mar-05 01:06
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I wonder if Mike will invite Mark down to the local casino for the challenge he backed away from a few weeks back?
Surely Mark wouldn't refuse his hospitality?
 
markhowy Posted: 19-Mar-05 06:24
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Hi Folks

Roulette computers do indeed work, mine is no exception!

Docker, I will be doing some video footage of the computer unedited on a level modern wheel and a scalloped wheel. I am just a little busy at the moment. People who have visited me will confirm I demonstrate on a Modern John Huxleys level wheel!

A Roulette computer is like a tool and it depends on the skill of the user to how well you can implement it. Patience, Nerves and been on top of the game and constantly monitioring what is happening will make any one a winner. But it is boring too!

It is very rare that someone does not get the computer working properly, lauguage barriers on discussing how it works, not establishing level or tilted wheels properly, not resetting equations enough ect. My computer changes the Algorithm as plays, as there is no perfect Algorithm for any particular wheel! It seems Basieux has not been changing it frequently enough possibly:-~)

Regarding legalities, it is illegal in five of the states in America and tribal casinos would be best avoided as their laws differ somewhat.

But as for the rest of the world goes, no Laws exist making it an criminal offence to use one of these covertly, for you are not interfering with the game in hand!

What people generally fail to take into account is that if you was winning by luck and did not have a roulette computer, you could be banned for the same reason, the casinos been suspicious of your good fortune.

I can tell you that when I started getting barred from different casinos, I did not get escorted into a back room on any occasssion or accused of using a roulette computer, I simply got a letter through the post!

The only time I have money confiscated was in another country coming through customs, around 70,000 taken from me because I had not declared it, it was either get on the plane and give us the money, or you need to go to prison and wait a few months for the case to come up, boths way I lost the money, so we just got on the plane! They allowed 3500 each to leave with ..A jesture probably within the Law, who knows, but I can guarantee that this money will have been shared amongst the police at the time in the airport.

Roulette computers are for the people who want to make some serious money playing roulette, and although it sounds easy, human weaknesses sometimes get in the way more than any other factor.

People nerves go when they start winning, even Fruity said this happened to him one night, also been slack when using the computer can cause problems, not setting up the equations enough, sloppy setup timings, impatience, boredom!

Sounds really hard to believe to me that given something for such a low price that has potential to make so much money and is so easy to use can still prove worthless in the wrong hands!

We had Zapata, who although obtained 6 hits in 90 spins, decided to change offsets from Zero to +13 because he had not had an hit for 20 spins!

then, because he had no more wins for the following 50 spins, claims it does not work!

And was not prepared to go and try it again in the casino!

Patience is definately a virtue that is not appreciated until needed!

But there is alot of people out there who have made plently with my roulette computer, they do not need to come to message boards to post their findings or advertise for me on the net, I prefer word of mouth, that way I know they get a real testimonial from someone they probably trust. I tell all my customers not to post anything here or elsewhere, some have in the past, but are just accused as being me!

For those that are dedicated and its not illegal in the states countries they wish to play, roulette computers can make you as much as you like, truthfully, but the more you mkae, the more heat you get!

As for what I have made with it, it has been over many years, so its not as impressive as you all seem to think!

Covering 20 years play in total, most of you will havbe earned around £500,000 from a normal job in that period of time!

So when I say a few million, you just take this into account!
I also have spent alot of money too!

Most of the money was made in a very short space of time when I was alot younger, then I would play casually after that, other interests taking over, money not so much a priority!

Hope people understand a little more now!

This does not mean you have to like me LOL

Regards

Mark ..







[Edited by markhowy on 19-Mar-05 07:42]
 
docker Posted: 19-Mar-05 07:25
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So how was the fall off mapping of the level wheel you can beat?
Well spread across the 360 degrees?
 
shadow Posted: 19-Mar-05 08:44
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To Gameguy

If the guy you mention has used the computer with some success why is he bitching about it?
 
Robbed Posted: 19-Mar-05 09:58
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You know it's hilarious to me when people say that a system or computer works but ONLY under specific conditions and in certain enviroments.... lol

I mean that's like saying that I could have played pro Basketball if only I was 6 inches taller.

Unless a computer or system takes EVERY factor including pyscology, money management,ENVIROMENT etc , etc into account it DOESN"T work.

END OF STORY!

Mark you know and I know that your computer will only work in specific enviroments when and if you have enough time to place your bets (last second) so concidering that 90% of the enviroments in this world do not meet that criteria then your computer DOES NOT WORK.

Sure maybe in your bedroom but not in the REAL world where the rest of us live!

Give it up Mark and get a real job and use that brain of yours to help the world and STOP ripping people off.

[Edited by Robbed on 19-Mar-05 10:59]
 
gameguy Posted: 19-Mar-05 10:21
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Shadow,

What on earth are you talking about? Where did I say he was bitching about it?
 
markhowy Posted: 19-Mar-05 12:23
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Robbed

There is three programs on that computer that allow you to play any roulette wheel in any part of the world, I know someone who plays at the casinos you mentioned now and then, they have had no problems, maybe its their experience, you initially told me that the roulette wheels had no diamonds there, you was adamant, then all of a sudden, the diamonds appeared!

You have also claimed that you made over a period of two weeks with the device right here on this message board, but claimed that it took to long to set up.

I cannot change how long it takes to set up and this was outlined in the beginning.

You also said that you felt nervous using the device, as this got anything to do with the power of the computer?

Al lastly, how come other people are using it successfully?

Robbed said above>
unless a computer or system takes EVERY factor including psychology, money management, ENVIROMENT etc, etc into account it DOESN"T work.

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Mark Writes>

I cannot be responsible for peoples mentality, nerves, sticking to basic money management, feeling comfortable in the environment etc

I mention this to people before they even buy!

This does not mean the computer does not work, it means that you do not work!

Could someone using Excel for the first time claim that it did not work because they could not use it, factor such as not read the manual, cannot type very fast, not familiar with drop down menus etc?

Computers take a little impetus from the operator, its not going to walk in the casino itself and place the bets on for you and bring the money home unfortunately.

The points you make are valid about other factors, but are known only to yourself and can be controlled by yourself, I cannot make you have nerves of steel if you have not got nerves of steel?

I cannot instruct you on money management if you are a frivolous uncontrollable gambler who thinks they will just have an extra bet here or there.

You do not buy an aeroplane if you are scared of flying!

I think this is your real reason for giving up; it comes out in your post!

Regards

Mark


[Edited by markhowy on 19-Mar-05 13:26]
 
docker Posted: 19-Mar-05 17:57
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So how was the fall off mapping of the level wheel you can beat?
Well spread across the 360 degrees?
 
markhowy Posted: 20-Mar-05 10:21
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Docker

YOu do not need fall off mapping, its a case of calculating distances using mathematics! Even if you used fall off mapping techniques it wouls still have to be related to the mathemmatical predicted distance!

Regards

Mark ..
 
markhowy Posted: 28-Mar-05 15:24
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Hi Robbed

The computer works in all enviroments, its the users frame of mind that can prohibit its use, which you echo above after sending me private emails to say that you was intimidated using the device.

I cannot be responsible for your human nature, thats down to the user I am afraid!

Regards

Mark ..
 

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