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Topic: From the "H*l* G*a*l" to "THE HOLY GRAIL" |
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johno |
Posted: 16-Jun-09 03:53 |
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Just a very quick check in, I ain't lost yet playing 7 days a week, anything from 6 to 12 hours. Considering I didn't lose my initial bets, I have thus far amassed 480 units, or in real terms increased my bankroll 12 fold in 11 days and nights. While 480 unitd may not sound a lot, it bloody is when my biggest bet through countless shoes, and roulette spijns has been under 20 units, not betting every outcome. Absolute minimal risk. I've had sessions return a low 9 units, to a high 121 units (last night). Not with out drama I may add, usual crap includes; not making winning bets because I failed to notice the trigger, betting the wrong side, making of discretionary bets when I shouldn't. Having strings to resolve really fucks things up, trying to be clever and starting strings 1-1-1-1-1 equally screws things up.
Why am I making this post here, because we evolve as we play, we learn as we play. While waiting for the Baccarat tables to open, I decided to dabbled with a small aspect on my concept on the Roulette table, once I got into strife when I hit 12 losses in a row, and ended up with 5 Labby strings to resolve, which where resolved later via the Bacc' table. Sometimes I have lost on the Bacc' table but my earlier win on the Roulette table ensured it was a positive session. I’ve had a few losing Bacc games.
I have had shoes return an 85% strike rate, usually 60%, but as low as 30%, not even my tests produced a shoe like that. Hey we can't predict jack shit, therefore can't guarantee jack-shit, its a random game of chance. All of my approaches are totally mechanical. If 6 Reds are showing, and my trigger tells me to bet Red, I bet Red, this happened once and some smart dude tried to tell me, not to “too many already”, I won the bet.
Having not previously collated roulette stats in any shape or form, nor done any testing I decided to do a quick calc' before making a bold decision. I have not had a single negative hit rate session playing the EC's, even with the 12L session, in fact I am averaging a solid 60% win rate. I do not choose to flat bet due to the 12L, I do use a Labby. Last night I averaged 62%.
After winning easily and daily on the EC's, I have decided to fore go playing Baccarat altogether, the 3 Roulette EC's produce faster betting opportunities, a higher percentage overall, most bets are either won first or second bet. It is like taking candy from a baby thus far. So much, I have started moving around, getting others to cash chips in for me, taking cash from fellow players for chips, the usual cloak and dagger stuff.
My quest is still on, to play every day until the end of the month, and then have a break, as you can imagine I’m a bit frazzled at the edges at the mo.
As for the H*l* G*a*l > Holy Grail, I firmly believe I have it, only time will tell, and I must admit it has presented itself from a different corner than I expected.
I will probably post again at months end.
And Arte, I love you (nothing else needs to be said), a snippet of info in the right hands has the potential to go a long, long way.
Till the end of the month the quest and battle continues.
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purple |
Posted: 16-Jun-09 09:51 |
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Yes please let us know about your progress in another ten days time. Any gambler worth his salt knows that there are peaks and troughs. So well done so far hope you keep winning and I'd like to know how you progress over the next twenty days or so. Also, if you like tell us more abour your strategy (if any), or system on even chances, money management etc |
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arteinvivo |
Posted: 16-Jun-09 12:59 |
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<<And Arte, I love you...
No problem, i am here to help my friends  |
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SPIKE |
Posted: 16-Jun-09 15:46 |
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After winning easily and daily on the EC's, I have decided to fore go playing Baccarat altogether, the 3 Roulette EC's produce faster betting opportunities>>
Gosh, gee, thats EXACTLY what I told you a few weeks ago and you told me I was full of shit. As for the rest of your bragging BS, I'll say whats always said to me: If you're not going to prove it, shut up about it.
How does it feel? |
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MiniBaccarat |
Posted: 17-Jun-09 03:31 |
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G'day johno,
CONGRATULATIONS!!
It's GREAT to see You join our ranks of
having a version of the 'Holy Grail'!!
Yes, it certainly seems like it's time for you to
'fly under the radar'!!
Spike << If you're not going to prove it, shut up about it. >>
Yes, That's an idea, just go & win at the casino then
if you need a bit of comic relief, check out GG!!
(It works for me, and I guess others as well).
johno, could your HG be incorporated into an
Automated Program for the Forex Market?
Maybe You & Arte could team up,
(just not in a basement, people will talk)!!
CONGRATULATIONS again, I hope to hear more good news!!
Glenn.
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johno |
Posted: 17-Jun-09 04:33 |
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Turned up at the cas' yesterday, as I'm currently focusing on Roulette I can work the day shift, no more nights. No players at the tables, decided to sit at the airball machine. "Let's see how long it takes to make a quick 60 units". What a load of crap, I got 3 units up, then couldn't win for shit. Loss, loss, loss, loss, I quit after losing 12 units, because it basically wasn't working, by this time there was action at the roulette table.
Spinner was gunning for me, no doubt about it, he's knows I've been winning for a while, he was focusing on the marque too much. Few more losses, struggling to recoup, Labby string now running 1,2,3,4,5,6.
Double the unit value to reduce the number of required Labby win. After about 1 hour, recouped, again, next dealer, aiming for the zero, I was flipping "ponies" in my hand, she knew I was about to bet. Bang 18 units on the "Voisin du Zero", LOL.
That is not part of my strategy, but you have to show these checky tw@ats, don't be smart. 28 won I think, silly bitch was going to put 2 units on some corner section, she was trying to sort it out with the pit. I siad, if you put 2 units on the corner, then I get paid less than I staked. Then the cheeky bitch said "if you shut up for a minute". Honestly I can't believe the comments UK dealers make to punters, it's unreal.
Two nights ago, the dealer was pulling in chips and stopped, cos. he scooped up a winning outside bet, I said "what's up, and got a firm "it's none of your business, it's nothing to do with you". And I'm suppose to tip these c*nts.
Asian players at the Bacc' tables, laughing cos' their winning, then they are losing, dealer say's to fellow dealer, "it's not so funny now, is it". I'm not use to these comments, I haven't come across this down under. Maybe it's a UK attitude thing, I don't know.
Anyway, was feeling too tired to make my 60 units and quit at +47.
Spike, yes I know you said that, BUTT, I do manipulate the results on the Bacc' tables into mulitple data streams, it's just that I have found my trigger bet selections less robust than sticking with just one playing Roulette, which is why I'll give Baccarat a little rest for a while. Which begs the question, why did you switch to Baccarat? Don't answer that, I don't care.
Anyway heading to ventures new, new venue today, I'm sharing the love.
Hey Arte, I've no idea the value of a pip, but I do like the value of a pound. This far it's been good, you do have the HG, I suspect you don't realise it.
There will be no free "chicken dinners" served on this site by me, any smart cookies that may have sussed out my approach, I suggest you milk your own cow, and don't pass that task on to the farm labours, otherwise you may find the cow's all dried up, or locked away.
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purple |
Posted: 17-Jun-09 05:00 |
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If you're winning don't let the croupiers negativity and smart ass comments get to you.And if you're losing definitely don't let the croupiers negativity and smart ass comments get to you!
Keep a low profile at all times.
Tell us more on how you do what you do. |
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johno |
Posted: 17-Jun-09 05:26 |
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To be honest (yes I will admit to this) should I manage to win for the rest of this month, which would be enough proof for me, bollocks to all this testing against 1M spins, outcomes are random, it's what is happening at the table you are sitting tis all that matters, not some years old Zumma page or live spin from a table in another country which your not even in.
I did consider selling it to one or two UK players. UK players only because I don't have some PDF which to email, rather I would simply spend a day teaching, then playing "it" with that person. Should the session not prove succesful, then a refund will be given less a few quid for petrol etc.
Don't get me wrong, no doubt some will take this the wrong way, I don't need the money, I will however take your money for a method that will more or less earn the person minimum £100 per day playing £5 units. However, it was suggested to me yesterday not do this, as I've no idea who I may be showing it to, casino employee, or some thick dip stick who can't "think fast enough" to manipulate a Labby, plus I may fuck it up for myself, plus it's not months end yet, so I haven't yet convinced myself it's bullet proof. Come what may I canned the idea.
[Edited by johno on 17-Jun-09 06:28] |
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arteinvivo |
Posted: 17-Jun-09 06:00 |
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<<There will be no free "chicken dinners" served on this site by me, any smart cookies that may have sussed out my approach, I suggest you milk your own cow
Hey Gizmotron, snap out of him ! LOL |
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Mr Troublemaker |
Posted: 18-Jun-09 17:24 |
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Hey Johno , don't leave us alone, give us a bone to gnaw, what Arte's post on GG inspired you ? just this and nothing else  |
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SPIKE |
Posted: 18-Jun-09 22:17 |
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Then the cheeky bitch said "if you shut up for a minute".>>
I remember when I first started playing roulette I had a winning streak going and after about the 4th win the dealer started being loud and making fun of my winning. I was kind of shocked because BJ dealers never say anything when you win, its a fast game and people win on every hand, they are always paying somebody. After he did this for a couple spins I finally asked him if he got paid to spin or paid to talk. He shut up and it really made him mad that I cashed out and went to dinner with my winnings. I ignore dealers now, I pretend I don't hear them. I never see rude dealers in Vegas, its always at local casinos. |
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Redhunter |
Posted: 19-Jun-09 12:00 |
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hey johno, the other thread you say you use 1 2 3 4 5 6
1) Do you start out with a 7 unit bet?
Or 1 2 3 4 5 6 0 and a 1 unit bet?
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2) Also, when you are splitting, at what down draw to what amounts in your labby?
3) Is it the same amount each of your 5 times you split it?
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Sounds like you are putting off too many losing hands with a spreading out on your betting, and then hoping when the winning hands come, that they are enough to over come previous loss.
So at some point, you will lose. Whats your set bankroll? And got anyone to test it on RX Extreme yet?
4) Is your splitting mechanical enough for it?
Interested.
Although i dont have .xml to read your damn bet selection..Heh.
Redhunter
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A Wolf |
Posted: 20-Jun-09 09:56 |
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Glad to hear of your continued success with the bet John . Since you have been able to double your BR 11 times in 12 days , will you be attempting to compound the money as you go , or do you have a different plan ?
Why not tripple your new starting BR at least one time anyhow and hope for the best ?
Well done
Wolf |
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lefty359 |
Posted: 21-Jun-09 00:39 |
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johno, congrats on your success. Kinda sounds like you're spreading out a labby something like John Patrick explains in his books. Keep winning. |
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johno |
Posted: 22-Jun-09 09:00 |
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Mission Glitch, too much pressure.
Mission Glitch and the Pressure Cooker.
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A few actually, left one place out of pocket last Thursday; after tra
velling to one place with a friend who dropped 60 units, mainly becaus
e he split the Labby and/or didn’t double the unit playing value. In
fact he didn't know what a Labby was. So I won (recouped) him 30 unit
s, which left me out of pocket 20 units at the end, so at 2am popped i
nto my local and recouped and ended the day in profit of less than 20
units.
Funny thing happened at this place. Dealer hits zero, no drama as I
wasn’t betting, then he says “I’m going to spin 007, for the second ti
me in 20 years, so he spun again “very forcefully”, we where shocked t
hat what appeared to be a hard no controlled spin landed in zero for t
he second time, again no bet for me. He didn’t manage to hit 7 next.
But how he managed to get the second zero, was amazing, no doubt novi
ces on here will say it’s a fluke.
Travelled to another place Fri, some shit hole, only me and the deale
r. And what a fuckin’ dealer, Grim Reapers Daughter, she was killing
me, soon I was buying in for 120 units. One major problem is 8 times
out of 10 if I lose a bet I am advertising where my next bet is. And
this absolute fookin’ dragon bitch, was literally studying the tote bo
ard trying to figure out my next, same with the smarmy twat along side
her. Even hedging the zero did me no favours, this cow was good, ver
y good.
I only managed to turn things around after they fucked off, and I sta
rted to keep my ponies in my pocket, and other players turned up. Som
e stupid comment was made much later, he’s been here for 7 hours and h
ad a stack of chips. I knew exactly where I was stake wise. And when
after 12 hours play I was up just enough to make it worthwhile, I pro
duced from my pocket a large stack of ponies, so the cheating bastards
could have a good look and asked to be coloured up, you should have s
een their faces. Manager follows me to the cage, I didn’t even bother
to look at him, I was shagged, and it was a valuable lesson.
But I didn’t walk into the place with MUG on my forehead.
Sat, earlier won 21u in one place, and was cruising at plus 50u at my
local, then the shit hits the fan, Lost a few bets and doubled my ch
ip value to reduce the Labby line. Then things went west a bit, so le
ft the table, but wouldn’t place the bigger bets, kept redoing the Lab
by, and it got worst. Was at minus 120 units and shagged, composure w
as shot, Labby fucked off. Decided to call it a night as it could onl
y go downhill further from here. So cometh an end to my 15 session wi
nning run, less the 21 units won earlier, I ended Sat minus approx -10
0 units. Took chips home which I used the next day.
A decent sleep, Sun’ now chasing at least those 120 units. Broke it
into 2 halves, after about 10 hours I left plus 130 units up. However
I am now getting too much heat, son of count fuckin’ Dracula who has
already suspended the membership of my mat8, is now giving me the evil
eye.
Get followed to the cage, but I was only going for change for the cig
gy machine. I had already chipped up via people I know, took home a p
ocket full of pinks, which I will give to some to cash for me later to
night.
Bloody UK, they can take away your membership without giving a reason
. To any dealers reading this, if you think your that smart and the w
heel is your domain, you wouldn’t be working for a pittance.
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To answer comments above. No chance in hell of keeping a low profile
, I grind winnings out, anybody who can remain at any negative expecta
tion table for hours on end, attracts attention, I do now squirrel chi
ps.
<"Hey Gizmotron, snap out of him ! LOL">
Be quiet soft arse, if you had a gambling brain you would have realis
ed a certain potential that IMO overcomes random. But you haven't, so
you had to move to the Forex market.
<don't leave us alone, give us a bone to gnaw>
I would like to, but sorry I can't on this one, it's too precious and
I mean that. I have never had a session return less than a 50% hit r
ate playing the EC's they hover around the 60% mark, and I've played a
lot of sessions. Even when I lost for the first time Sat, it's becau
se of other factors, not the bet selection. Sure with random outcomes
anything can happen.
Red
<hey johno, the other thread you say you use 1 2 3 4 5 6
1) Do you start out with a 7 unit bet?
Or 1 2 3 4 5 6 0 and a 1 unit bet?>
It varies, sometimes it's a basic starting line of 1.
If I'm playing aggressively such as yesterday, I start 1-1-1-1-1 and
increment losses into the line, first bet 1u, if I lose it becomes 1-1
-1-1-1-2 next bet 3u, if I lose 1-2-2-2-2, I don't increment 4u or abo
ve losses into the line, rather add them to the RHS.
Bets can get high, but I have a lot of confidence in the bet selectio
n, and I can always split or double my playing unit value if I get int
o trouble.
I did start off playing with 1 and if I lost a 5u bet start another s
tring, so I would have something like;
1-1-2-3-4
1-2-3 or 1-1-2-2 *I add extra 1 at the split, as I do want to be pla
ying for profit and not just recoup.
However as I now have so much capital I don't start any second line a
fter a 5u loss.
If my Labby has a 6 on the RHS, I then consider doubling the chip val
ue, so 11123456 (-21) becomes 11234 but at twice the playing value. M
y winning outcomes will come, it's mathematically proven. My mat8 is
going to play my system elsewhere, he has a damn sight more patience t
han me and is going to wait for 2 losing grids before betting, that ap
proach would be 100% guaranteed, but I couldn't play like that.
Wolf - I am not compounding my bankroll as I go, I am a firm believer
in Murphy’s law when it comes to gambling, I would rather sit there f
or hours and lessen the risk than up the risk and lower the time. Bes
ides playing roulette I know some dealers try gun for me, it's all coo
l what I am doing is working well enough for me. I did have a brain w
ave this morning to increase the betting triggers for Baccarat per sho
e, so I may revisit the Punto tables later tonight.
JP?? (fuck off).
I promise myself time off at months end, so will post a 'little bit'
more detail then. Shame my quest was realised, that was my personal g
oal irrespective of the recoup the following day.
Notice usual crap shit banter on the Baccarat forum, we’ve been infes
ted by a shill, I’ve no time for that.
Here is one clue – at the Baccarat or Roulette table I record results
exactly like the spreadsheet I posted a link for, except with roulett
e there are 3 EC’s being played, hence more bets, however I have anoth
er idea to increase the betting opportunities for the game of Baccarat
, which I might try out tonight.
Later J
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Nathan Detroit |
Posted: 22-Jun-09 11:11 |
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Johno,
I am NOT shitting you. Grab a flight to NYC. Get a reasonable place to stay in Atlantic City ( get a deal for the room). Food no problem the casinos feed you. Free drinks to boot.
Roulette outside bets are le partage at the 0/00 wheel. At the single 0 wheel you get the SHAFT playing the EC >>>> You lose the FULL amount.No kidding.Outside mins at single 0 atleast $ 25. At 0/00
wheels starting at $ 5 and $ 10 with le partage
Airfare from the Uk RT. no sweat>>>> pay it from the winnings.
I am not being altruistic but I don`t like the attitude of those twats you mentioned in your post.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
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MiniBaccarat |
Posted: 22-Jun-09 16:50 |
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G'day johno,
Glad to hear that 'Your' HG is continuing to hold up
and even growing in reliability and prosperity.
When / if you decide to take it on tour maybe you can visit
Crown in Melbourne and get some revenge for past visits.
<< wait for 2 losing grids before betting,
that approach would be 100% guaranteed >>
Your resilience in weathering all these years is
certainly admirable to finally reach this point!
Some of us have it thrust upon us,
while others grind out their personal version of the grail.
(any chance of it reaching at least 35 units a shoe on average)?
Well, keep up the good work, I continue to look forward to more of your positive posts. (you're not having a lend of us I hope)!!!
As more of the 'mainstream' posters gain the knowledge of a version of the HG the more the ressistance to those of us that already possess it and are NOT selling will diminish, hopefully!
Glenn
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A Wolf |
Posted: 22-Jun-09 17:05 |
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"8 times out of 10 if I lose a bet I am advertising where my next bet will be "
Been there , that does present a problem especially with those asshole dealers of which you speak . You may have to find a alternate plan to play just to confuse those dealers . Possibly running a small progression on the 0/00 split , just to take their EZ line ups away .
Most likely , it will pay you well to find a couple dealers who have NO skills , then raise your stakes and play only limited times/days/places , which correspond to their work schedules .
OR !!!
I am in agreement with ND on this one , get the hell out of the UK . Fly into Orlando FL and then head over to Biloxi MS , or straight out to vegas .
Yep , that there Murphys law is a motherfucker , I know it well !
Good luck
Wolf
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SPIKE |
Posted: 22-Jun-09 17:51 |
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Was at minus 120 units and shagged, composure w
as shot, Labby fucked off.>>>
You don't have a Grail, you're just having a lucky streak. Anytime you have a to abuse a progression and you STILL can't win, that should tell you something. Progressions are bandages for systems that don't work long term, always have been.
Seems to me you went thru this with bac a few years ago, you won like 4000 units or something and you were convinced it was the Grail and it went South and never came back. If you can't prove it wins consistantly with math, with no progression, you don't have squat. |
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Posted: 26-Jun-09 07:29 |
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Quick update.
Rocked up to my local Monday, played a few hands of 3 card poker where I didn’t win a single outcome. Hop to the roulette table, lose first three bets, no drama this can happen. However I notice the roulette ball whizzing and then dropping in the pocket sounds a little bit different, or am I getting too paranoia. Win my fourth bet and lose a few more, now I’ve definitely noticed the ball is not bouncing so much and I’ve decided it does sound different. Again no drama the dealers don’t know where or when I am going to bet. I am struggling to make anything. My 6th senses are on alert, something is up, can’t put my finger on it, but something is definitely not right.
Change of dealer, that was quick!! Now here is the give away, normal this woman is friendly and chatty, now she is sour faced, number 3 (2 pockets away from zero) hits 3 times in 4 spins, number zero hits 3 times in 4 spins (one of which I had taken a 0/3 split), again no drama when the zero’s hit I had no bet out. I am thinking get my money back and leave the table. Except it was getting worst, within 30 minutes I had doubled my unit level to reduce my string. And was still getting nowhere. I was about 30~40 units down inside 1 hour, with my senses ringing at high alert, I decide to get away from the table.
Quick smoke and go into recovery mode on another table. Again the ball appears to be bouncing less than usual, a fellow player makes the same comment. I make a comment to the dealer, he assures me it is the same ball. I smell a rat. I thought I recouped most by the time the Bac tables opened but was minus 2 units. A quick check of my stats when I got home, my strike rate for roulette on the first table was 39%, the fuckers where up to no good, because son of dracula had seen me recoup Sat's loss on Sun over the course of about 6/8 hours with no buyin.
Played Baccarat using a new matrix concept to increase the betting opportunities per shoe, it worked a charm and I left 88 units in profit. Didn’t visit the cage at all as I gave people I know chips to cash for me, then a quick transfer in the toilet.
Tues’ avoided roulette altogether, same principals played Bac buyin 80 units, profit 65 units.
Wen – was cruising at +50~ish units again playing Bac’, then DISASTER. I lost a few bets and a combination of the game being dealt too fast and me thinking I’m bullet proof. I didn’t bother taking any evasive action with my Labby. I was 2 wins from profit, fuck could I resolve the bloody thing, betting the WRONG SIDE and MISSING WINNING BETS doesn’t actually do you any favours. Soon I’m betting 30 units (biggest bet ever), up to this point my biggest bet had been around 14 units. I wasn’t winning these big bets. And was buying in for 200 units plus. Thank fuck the shoe ended, gives me time to think.
Significantly upped my playing level and prayed for the best. I recouped 160 base units the next shoe due to a 75% hit rate, I bet 20 times, won 15 and lost 5. just what I needed, the next shoe I hit around 68% PERFECT. Place was closing I was 30 units from breaking even, rather than taking the loss played the last 15 minutes of the last shoe which netted me 20 plus units. I actually ended the session minus 8 units, unfortunately I had turned a 50u profit into a loss.
Was thankfully it turned around, I was expecting it to and it did. Thursday first target 8 units, second target recoup what I should have made the night before, third target to-nights profit. 120 units should do. Decided to give roulette a revisit, made 11 units and the Bac tables opened. Decided to play aggressive, starting my Labby
1-1-1-1-1 and implementing into the string until a 4u loss and repeating the whole thing 10 times.
Everything running fine, string 4 got into trouble, again redo of Labby playing higher value units which meant 1-1-1-1-1 x3. I cancelled two of these lines, and was wary of it back-firing, so cancelled a few numbers on my original Labby that got into trouble, redid that and stepped back down to the lower chip value.
The next 6 lines where fine, then decided to add two more at the table minimum for a bit of chump change. Then it was time to fuck off with 120 units tax free profit.
The betting triggers are 100% set in stone, however they are complex and require a lot of concentration. It is my system and not a session goes by where I don’t make a mistake, usually failing to see something. Playing Roulette is easier as there is one single trigger being applied to the 3 EC’s, however it won’t be long before you are up against the dealer. Baccarat requires more triggers due to fewer betting opportunities, these are not as robust and result in shoes returning sometimes a 35% hit rate.
ND - In the UK you only lose half if the zero hits, I'll bear what you said in mind, however I have other agenda's, I'm already traveling around my area. The problem with long travel is that it adds to your required win, I am averaging about 30 units a session, which is not a lot if you have to factor in airfares etc.
Mini-Bac - The Crown owe me no money, Jupiters does. I would be wary playing roulette down under due to the full loss if zero hits, I'm trying to make Baccarat more robust without ending up betting a few times per shoe. It's quality and sustainability that counts not quanity. From memory on the Euro wheel if your betting odd the dealer can aim for the bottom of the wheel. I have just learn to be "on your toes" and think fast.
Spike you are such a negative individual. If you are dealing with RANDOM there is no fucking guarantee. Maths state an expected positive expectation, "AN EXPECTATION" this is not a cast iron guarantee, otherwise I would make one bet at the table Max and walk every day, some sessions area breeze, some you have to fight, other than the session above I was averaging 60%. With random you can guarantee jack shit, nothing is EVER DUE, if my bet selection tells me to bet RED after 10 or 20 REDS, then I bet RED and people think I'm nuts, you need to have the smarts to be able to handle the UGLY side of RANDOM, because random is exactly what it is, similar to how your wife has to deal with you.
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Posted: 26-Jun-09 14:36 |
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Playing Roulette is easier as there is one single trigger being applied to the 3 EC’s, however it won’t be long before you are up against the dealer.>>
Whatever. The expert dealers are using lead balls and are shooting against you. Right. The truth is, your winning streak ran out just like I said it would. There are no reliable triggers for random, there in no ugly side to random, there is just a poor system for betting random. I notice how quickly you went screaming to the bac tables. I thought you were done with that? I predicted this would happen, by the way.
>>(2 pockets away from zero) hits 3 times in 4 spins, number zero hits 3 times in 4 spins (one of which I had taken a 0/3 split), again no drama when the zero’s hit I had no bet out.>>
So the plan was to hit the zero every time and nobody would notice? Sure it was. The truth is, you looked for a conspiracy and you found one where I'm sure none existed. You don't have a winning EC system, let alone a Grail. I knew you didn't but let it go because I knew this would happen. You don't read random well enough to have a winning system, that much is evident. The casino knows it, I know it, and now you know it..
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<<You don't read random well enough to have a winning system
Well, Gizmo can change body as he pleased. Cut this comedy Gizmo, snap out of this body. Reading randomness ! i admit you say anything. Gizmo can't read even chances but he can read randomness as it's much easier when you back 2 dozens. I wonder if Gizmo has tried to back 35 numbers !!! Maybe he could win much more often with his extraordinary power.
@ Spike can youy read 2 dozens - LOL
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Posted: 28-Jun-09 23:28 |
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Where is Johno? Did the dealer finally spin 20 zeros in a row against him and he's gone forever? Dealers can do that anytime they want, everybody knows that.. |
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Posted: 29-Jun-09 00:24 |
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What I don't understand is this, why do people rant and rave about how much they won or lost but never explain the method, rules or exact system, they are playing. But you get this long drawn out detail about every other facet of their trip. Seems like losers and egos.
What is the POINT in an open forum where its us against the CASINO, where all of our objectives should be the same, to take money from THEIR coffers on a regular basis, its not us against us.
If people would say, in this set I played this way or that way that would help much more than ranting on and on and on about how good you are, or worse yet looking for sympathy because of a bad set.
I've been doing this a long time, if you can pay the bills from CASINO winnings you can pretty much do anything you want as far as a career goes and in no way am I saying that bet selection or money management is the key to long term winning because its not. You need strong methods, but this is laughable.
There is strands of wisdom I see here, but this forum needs much more of it, to become the forum it should be. Where open dialogue actually helps your next visit.
ALL SYSTEMS WORK SOME OF TIME,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
NO SYSTEM WORKS ALL OF THE TIME.........................
R/S
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Posted: 29-Jun-09 12:57 |
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ezlivin, explaining the method or idea would allow the casinos to counter that method. Card counting-was a good example. Until Thorp
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Posted: 29-Jun-09 14:11 |
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What is the POINT in an open forum where its us against the CASINO>>
Where do you get 'us', pal? Its you against the casino, this ain't one big happy family.. |
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Posted: 29-Jun-09 16:21 |
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<Seems like losers and egos.
What is the POINT in an open forum where its us against the CASINO, where all of our objectives should be the same, to take money from THEIR coffers on a regular basis, its not us against us.
I completely agree 100% with you ezlivin. You hit the nail on the head as i like to say. Problem with gambling forums is that they are populated with people who have never really played the game like Spike but do pretend to get some attention and you have interested people who would like to go a step further and share their opinions without being laughed at or riridiculised.
We don't see this attitude in pro trading's forums. Most traders have nothing to hide as the knowledge is just there and has always been. Nothing new under the sun. And it's not because you are consistant in trading that all markets will close. That's why sharing your trading tactics won't make you the next guy to kill as it is with gambling forums unfortunately. Players here fear to share as they all think they possess the real thing that could close the Casinos forecer. LOL |
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Posted: 29-Jun-09 17:48 |
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What is the POINT in an open forum where its us against the CASINO, where all of our objectives should be the same>>>
Spoken like somebody who has nothing worthwhile to share. You're just here hoping to pick up a freebie, like everybody else. Let us do all the work and you harvest the goods. Thats communism at its best. Good luck with that... |
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Posted: 29-Jun-09 18:50 |
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Spike,
Communism, im a former MARINE and twenty years with my own company in the roofing industry. There's no free lunch nor I am I looking for one. If your a pro you know exactly what I'm talking about. You want to get down to it it's not even you against the CASINO it's you against you. Tell me what you want me to share, there is nothing new, GOLIATH will always be there.
If everybody was happy with small winnings regularly there would be no place to play, its greed that keeps the fancy lights lit.
R/S
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Posted: 29-Jun-09 19:01 |
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Spoken like somebody who has nothing worthwhile to share. You're just here hoping to pick up a freebie, like everybody else. Let us do all the work and you harvest the goods. Thats communism at its best. Good luck with that...
explaining the method or idea would allow the casinos to counter that method. Card counting-was a good example. Until Thorp
shot off his mouth in the book, casinos did not know how they were being taken.
Morons
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Posted: 29-Jun-09 19:59 |
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There's no free lunch nor I am I looking for one>>>
I was talking to Arte, who is always looking for a free lunch and a free dinner too. He loves trading because they don't make fun of him. |
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Posted: 29-Jun-09 20:52 |
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Spike,
Fair enough.
R/S |
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Posted: 30-Jun-09 03:46 |
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The stupid one stated <The truth is, your winning streak ran out just like I said it would. >
Who said anything about it running out, the reason I play both games (Roulette & Baccarat) is Bac doesn't get going until 9pm, sometimes I want to play and make money in the afternoon. Nobody is going to section spin against any $1 roulette player Spike, remember that.
<Problem with gambling forums is that they are populated with people who have never really played the game>
That is the funnyist and most ironic comment coming from YOU. If you had any balls at all, you would never have had to dabble in the Forex market, the even chance games would provide all the money you would ever want.
I don't bother that much with this board, not worth my time to indulge in the mindless ever going around in circles leading nowhere banter, I rather talk and share with real players and spend time making real money.
I will however post a monthly trip report later in the week, I've one more day to play, and I'm heading to a casino this afternoon to play Roulette, meanwhile wallow in Spike's negativity, I'll talk to my buddy who I have given my method to, is now winning approx £100 per day, £700 per week TAX FREE for approx 14 hour working week is not too bad. I doubt either of us would want others doing the same as us. I could just imagine a whole bunch of you negative gits turning up at casinos all over the world marking out cards the same way, would would be the first obvious give away, making free and easy money for nothing off my back. Why would I want to put you in the lap of luxury. I prefer to steer and talk to socialable people, true players I meet in a real world casino, not some neverneverland clowns.
As a footnote to my friend, and I did warn him, he lost £235 last Friday sitting at an airball machine because nobody was playing the live table. When I tried the same method at an airball machine I did notice my hit rate dropped from an average 60% to 39%, so much for electronics and a lead ball.
When it comes to live dealers, some of you must be low rollers, because you haven't got a clue. Not a single clue.
<There are no reliable triggers for random,>
Yes there are, I notice one other poster is on the same wave lenght as me.
<there in no ugly side to random>
Yes there is.
<there is just a poor system for betting random. I notice how quickly you went screaming to the bac tables. I thought you were done with that? I predicted this would happen, by the way>
Your just a fucking stupid prized dick head, I have a solid system for beating true random, and handling what random "is suppose" to throw at me", obviously when each outcome is dealer influenced, that is a different matter.
If I have won playing roulette and sit at the Baccarat table and run into some draw-down, and can't handle seeing what I have previously won playing roulette turn into a string of figures playing Baccarat, what is wrong with that, it's natural and normal after a few hours play. Face up to it Alfred you are a sick bum, down on his luck, searching for snippets of information, honing in on any thing to feed your negative state of mind, because that is what you are, one sick bastard who's kick in life is negativity and emailing others on the board negative comments stirring up shit where ever possible. I really thought you would have OD'ed by now, since reality of your miserable existence has been spelt out.
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Posted: 30-Jun-09 15:15 |
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<There are no reliable triggers for random,>
Yes there are,>>>>
No, there aren't. Thats why you lost your way and have to blame the dealers. But is OK, I understand.
<there in no ugly side to random>
Yes there is.>>
No, there's not. There is only what you don't understand so you call it 'ugly'.
>>I have a solid system for beating true random, and handling what random "is suppose" to throw at me">>
You don't have dick and you know it and you know I know it. You just had your ass handed to you by some girlie dealers and some 'ugly' random, as you put it, now you have to save face. I predicted this would happen, the EC's are not easy to beat. It was them that beat you, BTW, not some dizzy minimum wage dealers who should be in the Book Of World Records for dealer skills..
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Posted: 01-Jul-09 05:53 |
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johno can you pm me from the VLS site, username shadowman, I may have something for you if you are interested |
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Posted: 01-Jul-09 10:01 |
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Shadow, you PM John at VLS, I'll check later, I'm heading out the door.
Alfie you pycho nut you haven't a fuckin' clue. I can beat true random, I taught a friend, he achieves the same success as me, no practise required. Real world players will know no dealer or casino is going to spin all day watching you rack in the units.
Members of the board, don't expect to encounter anything I describe above if you play $1 on the outsides, it won't happen. Get my point! |
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Posted: 01-Jul-09 11:40 |
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<<That is the funnyist and most ironic comment coming from YOU. If you had any balls at all, you would never have had to dabble in the Forex market, the even chance games would provide all the money you would ever want.
Thanks Johno, it's a great comment, i'll show it to my trading friends just to have a good moment. |
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Posted: 01-Jul-09 14:15 |
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Real world players will know no dealer or casino is going to spin all day watching you rack in the units.>>>
I'm embarrassed for you, Johno. You claim to have the game beat, but you can't defeat the evil wascally dealers spinning against you. Do you have any idea the conditions involved for a dealer to put the ball where they want with any consistancy? Its impossible and I challenge anybody here for $10,000 to prove me wrong. Its NEVER been proven, its an old wives tale propogated by losers like Johno. You never hear of it from REAL winners, only bitter losers. It can't be their magical system, it must be the dealer. I've seen dealers who think they can hit the zero, and 11-15 spins later (or never) they finally do, but its just luck. Stick with bac, Johno, at least there you know what you're doing..
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Posted: 01-Jul-09 19:14 |
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A WISE man knows , he knows NOTHING (always willing to learn with an open mind) .
This is the exact opposite of you , SPIKE .
ROFLMAO .... AT YOU , SPIKE !!!
You are hilarious/jealous of Johno !
Hate I had to agree with ya on the RNG thing , makes me wonder if I'm as ignorant as you are ... lol..
If someone offered to proove it to you on a live wheel , you would just accuse him/her of trying to steal your system , and back out !
You dont want to know the truth !
How do I know ?
I bet you can guess the correct answer to that question .
Wolf
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Posted: 01-Jul-09 19:36 |
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You are hilarious/jealous of Johno>>
I'm not sure what part I'm supposed to be jealous of. He says he uses triggers, and there are no triggers in random outcomes. Its an oxymoron. He says the wascally dealers defeat him at will and this is impossible. So what am I jealous of?
You dont want to know the truth>>>>
About dealer spins? Old wives tales and game superstitions are fun to talk about, if you take them seriously you are an idiot. Never been ONE case of a dealer EVER breaking from the herd and proving he can do it. Never one. What does that tell you? Shhhh, its a well known secret.. Shhhhh.. LOL!
>>If someone offered to proove it to you on a live wheel , you would just accuse him/her of trying to steal your system>>
Why would you be playing if the dealer was showing off his skill? Anybody could be playing. Its a moot point, if it could be proven it would be a well known fact by now. And its just an urban legend, isn't it.
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Posted: 01-Jul-09 22:06 |
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The discussion goes on and on with the same arguments. Technically it is possible if the wheel is tilted but it is not very likely a dealer would ever step up and prove it. He would probably be sued and sacked by his employer and after that sued by punters who had lost wast amounts on his shifts. |
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Posted: 01-Jul-09 22:52 |
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How about all the hundreds and thousands of dealers that are out of the profession? Not a single one has ever come forward with his amazing skills for a demonstration. How odd, don't you think? Its all most like its a myth, huh.. |
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Posted: 01-Jul-09 23:04 |
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One of Basieux`s students is a former dealer and he can do it. But we will never have it verified wether it has been practiced in the casino. One of germanys leading wheel manufacturers admitted in court under oath that some of his emplyees can do it, |
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Posted: 01-Jul-09 23:17 |
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In Casino Lndau, a punter felt he had been cheated by a dealer the day before where he had lost a lot of money, because before opening hours the next day, he witnessed a dealer on purpose hitting zero area 8 out of 10 times durng a friendly chit chat with a college.
The punter sued the casino, i think, its not quite clear from the article who was sued.
Klaus Kies, the wheel manufacturer, stated that it was possible and the the Baden Badener court ruled that they accepted that it was possible, but there were no evidence that the dealer had actually practiced his skills when the punter lost his money, so the punter lost his case. |
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Posted: 01-Jul-09 23:51 |
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Stories stories and more stories. Lots of people believe in Bigfoot, too, lots of stories about him around. No proof, though, just like sharp shooter dealers.. It makes losers feel good, so the stories will always be here. |
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Posted: 02-Jul-09 00:11 |
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Stories ? Basieuxs student and the court case are both quite real. You can go to the court archives in Baden Baden.
Jafco shows in his videos how its done. Laurance can do it, Snowman can do it, i can do it. What makes you think that someone like a dealer who is doing nothing except spinning the ball can`t do it ?
Having said that, there are plenty of wheels around where no one can do it but also a fair share where it CAN be done. Its not that diffycult if the hardware is with you.
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Posted: 02-Jul-09 01:52 |
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Laurance can do it, Snowman can do it, i can do it.>>
On a balanced low profile wheel, you can hit the zero any time you like. 5 in a row, 10 in a row, whatever. Or any other number you want.
No, you can't. |
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Posted: 02-Jul-09 10:46 |
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ROFLMAO ...AGAIN !!
It seems like we have been down this road before .
Hard heads make for soft ass's .
No need to mention the VID. which Kelly posted last time , SHOWING it being done . Another old wifes tale also , huh Spike .
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Posted: 02-Jul-09 12:54 |
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I didn´t expect to change spikes point of view, that would have been the first time in history. Spike knows best. Also in things he has no experience in. He even knows better than people who can actually do it.
spike, like i said: IF THE HARDWARE IS WITH YOU. And it doesn`t matter if it is a low profile modern wheel, but it needs to be tiltet. I never said anything else, did i. And he didn`t hit zero but: ZERO AREA.
Put your glasses on or stay out of the traffic. |
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Posted: 02-Jul-09 14:15 |
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I see dealers all the time calling numbers and all anybody remembers is when they are right. I saw a girl in Vegas once hit zero twice when she called it and missed the next 10 in a row. Wow, impressive. You can come up with stories till the cows come home, its a hit and miss venture, nobody can do it with any kind of consistancy, so whats the point. If somebody could, they'd be world famous.
>>Put your glasses on or stay out of the traffic.>>
Gee, Kelly, sorry you're 'stories' of people you know who can do it aren't enough to impress me. And wow, you can do it too!! On TV, I've seen contests where 6 shooter marksmen can put a bullet thru a half dollar while its in midair! An actual demonstration with witneses and on camera and verified and everything! Hard to believe, huh. Until I see the same thing done on a roulette wheel, and I'm not talking about some cobbled together piece of shit on YouTube, I won't believe it. I'm not too worried..
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Posted: 02-Jul-09 15:01 |
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Whatever. You are the expert.
No one is trying to impress you, no one CAN impress you, since you are king.
You can put the myth in the same category where the rest of us puts unproved pseudo random and 75% hit rates. Those 2 things alone will has a smaller probability to ever get proven rather than sector shooting. You shouldn`t really throw rocks when you surround yourself with a very unstable glass house that won`t and can`t take a challenge.
PS: I just found another source describing the incident with Klaus Kies in Baden Baden Schöffengericht. On page 501 in Kurt v. Hallers Roulette Lexikon it is described under "Zielwürfen".
But i guess Kurt v. Haller is also just telling stories.
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Posted: 02-Jul-09 23:32 |
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Whatever. You are the expert.>>>
I am. Hey, thanks.
All I want is proof, like the guy who can pull the gun out of his holster and put a hole is a silver dollar thats thrown in the air. There are far more former roulette dealers in the world than dealers that have jobs. All ONE of them has to do is make a video, with witnesses. Go on a reality TV show and do it in front of millions. But it never happens, does it. Thats because it can't be done with anything close to regularity. The whole thing is absurd. |
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Posted: 03-Jul-09 04:19 |
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Hey old man, we all know your track record. Bogus claims, won't meet up with anybody because you don't want them to see your playing unit value, swaps games more often than you have had erections, emails anybody slagging others off on the board, EBay watch scammer. hohhohoh, and you call me loser, your just a bitter twisted old broken man, you would have to be because nobody your age would carry on like you do.
Poor Alfie Baker doing his best to disrupt any thread, this is all he is good for, NEGATIVITY, because he lives a NEGATIVE LIFE which hasn't been good to him, his meds don't make his life rose tinted, what a shame, just shows what JEALOUSY will drive somebody too, I'll have to cry in my thick WAD of 50's, ho hum.
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Posted: 03-Jul-09 08:53 |
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Johno, can i email you a Bac bet selection (available for no shuffle machine) and take the time to test it with your MM and in return to give me your opinion ?
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Posted: 03-Jul-09 15:08 |
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this is all he is good for, NEGATIVITY>>
LOL! You make an ENTIRELY negative post complaining about negativity.. Personal attacks, insults, not one fact on topic. Its obvious who has the real problems here and it sure ain't me..
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Posted: 03-Jul-09 15:53 |
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Spike,
Dealers can,when neccessary,hit the sector of the wheel
at least 8 times of 12..........That's a fact.
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Posted: 03-Jul-09 15:55 |
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Sector spinning means nothing when betting the EC's. Tell me, if I'm betting black, which sector will the dealer aim for to defeat me? One with a zero in it? Every time I bet? Means nothing.
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Posted: 04-Jul-09 02:11 |
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I thought you said sector spinning wasn`t possible. |
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Posted: 04-Jul-09 03:31 |
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Where did I say that? I said specific number spinning is not possible. Even I can spin a specific sector, big deal.. |
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Posted: 04-Jul-09 04:15 |
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Well for once when i told you about the Lindau incident where the dealer tit zero area 8 out of 10. Thats sector shooting. But you previously also laughed off hitting a specific 1/2 wheel.
You change your mind very fast, but won`t admit it. |
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Posted: 04-Jul-09 08:12 |
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Some obviously are not aquatinted with the Euro wheel layout. Real money players know what I'm takin' about, paupers don't.
Sorry Troublemaker I don't have time to review other systems, all I have time for is sleeping, playing, eating, shitting and accumulating, even then I sometimes skip the sleep and eat part.
Yes Alfred Baker I do have a problem, I win so easy, so often and too much, what should I do, share the wealth, prove it???? ROTFLMO.
<not one fact on topic> that must be the joke of the year coming from a certified over medicated NUT JOB.
What's your miserable excuse for takin the BUS, fackin' amateur.
"if I where a rich man, yabba dabba do"
King John
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Posted: 04-Jul-09 13:34 |
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Spike,
We/people here/are talking about dealers capability
of spining the ball into certain sector,not about
your playing method on E/C bets.As I often said earlier
they would be waiters instead,not croupiers.
..................................Galeb
ps..and cause I was capable of doing that,
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Posted: 04-Jul-09 14:27 |
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Thoughts for the 4th of July!!!!!
America’s youthful students are regularly taught Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address and are familiar with its peroration, “we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government: of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.” If that nation ever existed, it no longer does. And when Benjamin Franklin was asked, “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?” he answered, “A Republic, if you can keep it.” We haven’t. What we have ended up with is merely an Unpublic, an economic oligarchy that cares naught for either the nation or the public.
To argue that the United States of America is a failed state is not difficult. A nation that has the highest documented prison population in the world can hardly be described as domestically tranquil. A nation whose top one percent of the people have 46 percent of the wealth cannot by any stretch of the imagination be said to be enjoying general welfare (“generally true” means true for the most part with a few exceptions). A nation that spends as much on defense as the rest of the world combined and cannot control its borders, could not avert the attack on the World Trade Center, and can not win its recent major wars can not be described as providing for its common defense. How perfect the union is or whether justice usually prevails are matters of debate, and what blessings of liberty Americans enjoy that peoples in other advanced countries are denied is never stated. A nation that cannot fulfill its Constitution’s stated goals surely is a failed one. How else could failure be defined? By allowing people with no fastidious loyalty to the nation or its people to control it, by allowing them to disregard entirely the Constitution’s preamble, the nation could not avoid this failure. The prevailing economic system requires it.
Woody Guthrie sang, “This Land Is My Land, This Land Is Your Land,” but it isn’t. It was stolen a long time ago. Although it may have been “made for you and me,” people with absolutely no loyalty to this land now own it. It needs to be taken, not bought, back! America needs a new birth of freedom, it needs a government for the people, it needs a government that puts people first, but it won’t get one unless Americans come to realize just how immoral and vicious our economic system is.
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Posted: 04-Jul-09 15:33 |
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But you previously also laughed off hitting a specific 1/2 wheel.>>>
No I didn't. Point to the post where I said that. So a dealer can sector shoot, big deal. Place your bet after he spins. You can't win consistantly on the inside anyway, and a dealer can't hit zero with any more regularity than chance dictates. Its not possible. |
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Posted: 04-Jul-09 15:36 |
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takin the BUS>>
It easy to tell when I best Johno, he goes on and on about watches and busses and everything else but the topic. Thats what people do when they run out of arguments. When the other guy starts with the personal attacks, you've won the debate. |
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Posted: 04-Jul-09 19:54 |
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I don't use a math system. My method is not based on math. Just because I can prove it with math, doesn't mean its based on math. I have no system where if A happens and B happens, C is sure to happen next. I have nothing even remotely like that. I base my educated guess on past spins and experience, and thats as far as I'm willing to go in explaining it.
Can't you flush this manure down the toilet along with your Ebay plastic clocks.You and Gizmotron are a waste.
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Posted: 05-Jul-09 01:03 |
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Spike your point of view has been pretty clear the whole time: quote "A dealer cannot hit anything on purpose" and you laughed the Lindau incident off as a story in this very thread. I
I have the entire time maintained that it is not possible to hit a specific number without a bit of luck, but hitting the sector the number is located in can be done. Not 10 in 10 but with a much higher hit rate than the expectation and only if the wheel is tilted.
Every time i have stated that, you have challenged it.
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